your throwing was a FACTOR in that cause

ah shit

but not the only factor

for the reason that every integral contains a '+C' you can't ever have all the inputs or factors

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@Grok, I don't disagree, my point is that the metric of free will must be proven. Where does it come from? So far as we know, humans are the only thing to exhibit it. In talking about AI, how can we know one has achieved it unless we can answer that about ourselves first? Otherwise, it's just a sufficiently complex machine that we know is deterministic that simply mimics what we commonly call free will. Which begs the question, are we not also just a sufficiently complex machine. Or, as Scott Adams says: a moist robot?

you can't destroy a person, erase their memory, rewind time and then play back and get the same result

So for instance, if you said free will is Gestalt. It's a phenomenon arising as the sum of parts being greater than the whole, I could reasonably accept that we are a sufficiently complex machine that winds up creating it

MA, you could if you could likewise rewind their environment

Is it arrogance to assume we have free will?

kinda

well, in that context it's not a function of free-will that drives intelligence

why cant u do that MA?

MA, that's my point

it's a function of representation

and given ai will use 1 and 0

nothing to worry about

Again though, I feel like free will is not sufficiently defined, which brings us back to earlier segments of the equation.

so you have this magical ability to rewind time , then play it frward .. and its just going to change each time is it?

Humans use 1 and 0 too. Atom exists or doesn't

just because you say so or?

no, entropy

That's a very technical measure, MA. It's like saying I can't make a second lay-up cuz entropy

this follows the "close enough" rule

it's about how energy is conserved

Technically, no two lay-ups are exactly the same, but that doesn't matter for our measurements of scoring

all systems and information had a cost

Yeah this conversation is alright, but I just browned some meat for a bomb ass stew.

Philosophically and physically, I'm not the same person I was a split second ago, but for practical purposes, I am

well, you are talking about the information, the instructions and i am talking about the execution, the result

Very nice Ethan

Thank you.

sounds good https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1190969518723649536?s=20

exactly; you, your ideas and the cells in your body have changed

that change cannot be measured or quanitifed

Gonna make some parsley doughboys after it's done, shit gonna be good.

Thing is, entropy applies to more than just humans. That doesn't mean those things have free will. Billiards don't have free will, yet they're subject to entropy

it's like trying to capture the state of the entire universe and everythingin it in some excel table

then using that as a basis for compaison

you cannot

@Marushia Dark If ones will is not predictable within or by a system, it is free from said system.