Message from @n meowzers

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2019-10-24 15:25:16 UTC  

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2019-10-24 15:36:01 UTC  

So super fucking late but re: tank design... WWII tanks still operated largely on the principles of steel plates for armor, and the "fanciest" you got was spaced armor and sloping. All shit that you can mentally approximate the effectiveness of without a physics/chemistry degree.
Nowadays we use bullshit ceramics and reactive armor and stuff. Some of which actually works better for direct, straight-on hits than angled "effective thickness" hits.

2019-10-24 15:36:44 UTC  

Comparing a modern MBT to WWII tanks is just not something you can really do any more. I mean, fuck, the M18 Hellcat had paper-thin armor and was ludicrously fast at the time, boasting a top speed of *50 mph* and the Germans constantly thought we had more of them than we did because they'd dance between flanks with that speed. The M1 Abrams, meanwhile, has a top speed of like 40-45 mph, and is *heavily armored*.

2019-10-24 15:40:09 UTC  

And that's before you consider the cannons- modern tanks are pretty much all smoothbore rather than rifled.

2019-10-24 15:42:54 UTC  

yeah, modern tanks have solved almost every compromise WWII era had to make

2019-10-24 15:45:35 UTC  

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2019-10-24 15:49:46 UTC  

if i know correctly the abrams is smoothbore because it messes with the type of round

2019-10-24 15:49:57 UTC  

but i think the t72 or something is rifled

2019-10-24 15:49:57 UTC  

My black name is Obama crime statistics.

2019-10-24 15:50:00 UTC  

It's because you can fire missiles out of a smoothbore

2019-10-24 15:50:06 UTC  

that too

2019-10-24 15:50:07 UTC  

like literally

2019-10-24 15:50:11 UTC  

That's what caused the switch

2019-10-24 15:50:50 UTC  

all the further development of tank ammo was to compensate for or take advantage of the lack of rifling.

2019-10-24 15:51:09 UTC  

er

2019-10-24 15:51:15 UTC  

you know what I mean

2019-10-24 15:52:02 UTC  

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2019-10-24 15:52:42 UTC  

I'm circumcised new jordans, so even black my dick is damaged :/

2019-10-24 15:52:56 UTC  

and shitty shoes

2019-10-24 15:53:14 UTC  

end laces, tbh, they're obsolete

2019-10-24 15:53:14 UTC  

it's the kinetic energy round

2019-10-24 15:53:16 UTC  

you can't spin them

2019-10-24 15:53:20 UTC  

the sabot

2019-10-24 15:53:36 UTC  

it's like a rocket

2019-10-24 15:53:41 UTC  

with stabilizing fins

2019-10-24 15:53:42 UTC  

ah, fin stabilization. nothing else like it

2019-10-24 15:53:59 UTC  

APFSDS armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot

2019-10-24 15:54:20 UTC  

but it's much better up to around 700 meters than heat

2019-10-24 15:54:25 UTC  

and higher velocity

2019-10-24 15:54:56 UTC  

Well, HEAT rounds' advantage was more that they were only reliant on the gun for accuracy, their pen was pretty much fixed to the ammo itself.

2019-10-24 15:55:31 UTC  

yes but they just aren't good enough against modern armor which is why they needed a better gun

2019-10-24 15:55:41 UTC  

otherwise they would get too heavy

2019-10-24 15:55:49 UTC  

Oh of course, they're a relic from the steel plate days

2019-10-24 15:55:57 UTC  

well they're not terrible

2019-10-24 15:56:12 UTC  

russians have a 1 shot that goes 900-1000 mm man portable

2019-10-24 15:56:23 UTC  

but too big and heavy low velocity and less rounds

2019-10-24 15:56:29 UTC  

better to use them just infantry and bunkers

2019-10-24 15:56:43 UTC  

Just like HESH rounds, which were pretty much entirely based on spalling the fuck out of the crew rather than trying to go through with anything.

2019-10-24 15:56:59 UTC  

as well as being multi purpost

2019-10-24 15:57:02 UTC  

Though those might be a good "setup" round against modern armor