never bothering to check what you might not be including in you conclusions

@D3bug_logic the soviets turned a peasant society into a world super power that defeated nazi german

germany

what are you on about

Look ppl think it was bad for everyone which is not true it was bad for slave labour but rest of ppl lived normal life

through an extractive economy

Communism failed in Russia for the same reason it failed everywhere else:

*You cannot replace the millions of free thinking individuals that make up the free market with a bureaucracy.*

Wages, prices, incentives. Everything falls apart as more and more arbitrary value is applied to goods and services.

The gulags, the pogroms, “human nature”, corruption, Stalins leadership, the conflict with the west, *everything* is secondary to the single, true cause of soviet downfall: Communism itself does not work. In theory, or in reality. It is a catastrophically flawed idea to begin with.

says those that don't want to accept reality, Tato

@ManAnimal seek help

@Scale_e, i agree but see a gaping hole in your argument

China

Thing is ussr was unfair to those unfortunate in gulags

China stopped collapsing when they stopped being communist.

still communist, giving citizens an allowance to buy shit

not the same as capitalism

The soviet union used an extractive economy that benefit a select few (forced labour, forced relocation, removal of rights, centralization of power) to create brief economic prosperity until its eventual collapse.
An extractive economy cannot adapt (fear of creative destruction

china STILL IS COMMUNISM

You're right. China's The Nazis now.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579102241231994891/633481743197929502/unknown.png

@Scale_e china is still not in good shape, they might actually be undergoing the needed "glorious revolution" via hk but it is yet to be decided.

Still. National Socialism is still Socialism.

Big # 1 Chinaa for China # 1

capitalism would require people get to KEEP their own money and spend it as they see fit; they cannot; capitalism would ALSO allow those most successful at something to keep a majority portion of their earnings proportionally; they cannot

After complaining about the Imperialist powers extracting resources from Africa the Soviet Union hating this decided to create the paramount extractive economy in their own nation, imao

China is communism, giving people an allowance which is ALOT different than earning a salary

Honestly what China actually is now isn'

Isn't obvious unless you start reading in detail into it

communism is okay if iits nazbol

or strasserism

U could buy shit in soviet union too it doesnt matter unless ppl have right of private enterprise

property rights, yes

china doesn't have property rights

Are you saying the SU was capitalist? imao

china doesn't meet the definition of a capitalist country

Again, not communist.
Some goods are subsidized.
They have a social welfare.
Sure.
*But the government does not own the means of production.*
*They don’t set prices.*
They just regulate them up the wazoo.

@ManAnimal and yet its the number 2 super power

set to be number 1

within 25 years

i guess the superior systems do rise to the top 😉