But they do get more power in institutions

how the fuck is stoping shit becoming shitier giving up youre liberties ?

Well by giving up your ability to eat meat, drive a car, or just generally live on a lower salary and instead being reliant on state solutions, regulations and centralized welfare

Someone called you a Swede so you must know this

WRONG that not what i think we should fix

stop typing let me talk

I don't care what you think we should fix

I was talking about the state

How they actually solve this

How they act

And why this environmental thing matters to them

This is nothing but a good opportunity for people in power and people like you feed into the flames

Det är svårare och svårare att leva ett normalt liv, och för varje dag och legislering som utförs av staten i namnet av miljövänlighet blir normala människor fattigare och får mer och mer begränsade möjligheter

we should start using solar energy stop dumping tash into the ocean and nature use elatric cars insted and not spreding toxic gas to the air

nothing about stopping eating meat

or something like that

Solar energy isn't cost effective in Sweden though

It's almost exclusively cost effective in the saharah

I will agree on trash dumping though

Electric cars don't fix the problems though

firstly because to truly replace all current cars you would have to engage in a totalitarian centralized effort

Thereby take peoples liberties, like I said

ANd secondly the construction of batteries produce as much toxic gas as cars do

the means justify the end SOMETIMES

The construction of electric cars is actually quite a bit more spreading of that "toxic" gas

The means justify the end? what

sometimes

it dose

sometimes it dose not

I don't know why you're bringing this up

well it was you but ok

nice cropping

I don't

Know what you mean then

urgh forget it its imposebel to talk to you pepole

I'm saying to do what you want not only will it not have its intended effect

But it will also do something massively negative like giving the state more and more control

While removing mechanisms of accountability because the state is now serving it's own interest not because powerful people are "ambitious" or "greedy" but because they're "saving" the world

Dumpsville, generally in a conversation when you don't understand eachother you make an effort instead of assuming that everything you're saying is perfectly understandable, correct and reasoned without fault

what exactly is going on?

autism