It is, but the walls have failed.

now, the State is seen as the ONLY authority rather than the State being secondary to parents, grandparents and community which would influence, deter and even punish you outside of the long arms of the law

https://youtu.be/2vpa3V4-g5A LEAF DOES POLITICAL TEST (NOT CLICKBAIT) (GONE SEXUAL)

An agreeable observation. @ManAnimal

I mostly did this because people in another server kept trying to call me far-right, and I haven't done one of these in a while.

@ManAnimal Are you suggesting that the state should parent children more than their parents do?

Is/ought.

The United Caliphate of Al-England and Northern Ireland

noegative

It is that the State overrides the parents, the question is ought it be so?

i am saying the EXACT opposite

And I agree, that it ought *not* be so.

that it is IMPORTANT to have a 'grey zone' that the community has juristiction over

yes, everyone is subject to the law, BUT if no one finds out.....

the State needs to keep it's distance and that means a community must fill that void

@ManAnimal the state shouldn't exist

why can't the community have it's own laws

if you don't have that community, the vaccum will be filled with the State

that way it's offical

I would caveat that the State is neccessary.

and it's less potential for corruption

fill the void with community specific laws

because a community doesn't influence, reward nor enforce with 'laws'

that statment misses the point

LAW is explict

why can't it?

ETHICS is implict

Ethics are the basis for the laws

Community deals which ethics

Anyway be home in about 30 mikes..don't burn the server down in my absence.

the State deals with laws

these are totally different mechanism

I think your conception of "community" is flawed

I'm talking a group of individuals within a certain area

i can remember when we HAD 'community'

@Laucivol the state is not neccessary

small scale

(Also, stop boosting my ego. It's not helpful.)

whereas the state is a larger governing body

i am not so sure your grasp what i am refering to