Even if they know it instrinsically

it is the point at which the child realizes the reflection is NOT another child

They don't have the motor skills

Yeah too bad I grew up in a bubble without parents

this again...

boo hoo is me

@ManAnimal they arent

Babies arent born with the ability to swim

Who could relay their experience raising me.

Reflexively they make the proper motions is the swimming we're talking of.

No you fucking retard, I have parents, and they told me what it was like lol

Not if they *successfully* swim.

They arent proper motions

They're close enough.

'proper' LMFAO

They're just reflexive motions

It came up because I love water and they reminisced.

They arent strong enough to keep their head above the water

what the hell does 'proper' mean?

Plus I'm sure babies are Hella buoyant.

Functional

(Which is the point original. They're reflexive.)

^^

BABIES ARENT EVEN STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP THEIR HEADS STRAIGHT ON THEIR NECK

Timeward, you aren't following

The origin of the convo was reflexive vs instinctive.

MA is saying instinct is learned and not innate.

it isn't the effectiveness that matters, it is the behaviour

Which is literally wrong.

The argument was that instincts cannot be trainied.

the response

... um...

And reflexes can be.

Well

Instincts are innate and cannot be trained, because they are innate.

I think that would be the other way around

if his argument was TRUE, those SAME 'instincts' would be STATIC

they would nEVER change

Reflexes and learned behaviors on the other hand are conditioned.

No

yes