Again this idea that a lone sperg in his basement can 'debunk' biologists working in a lab controlled environment.......

https://youtu.be/tI1rbIYwK4A?t=2932

I think this might be the video and segment

timestamped to the argument he's addressing

Well Vaush is dumb.

vaush is a red liberal

I mean a broken clock and all that....

He's referencing their own data, and most of the people we even get the conclusions from are often mainstream media bullshitters, who will often even argue the opposite of the conclusion of a paper.

Oh god I don't pay attention to what the media says about science except maybe to laugh at them.

https://www.the-scientist.com/notebook/classic-mechanism-of-epigenetic-inheritance-is-rare--not-the-rule-65511

And insofar as cloning/twins. I don't know of anyone arguing that they *should* indeed be identical, or have identical life outcomes, especially in very instance, and regardless of environment.

Schübeler says the idea is perfectly possible, but more work needs to be done to understand exactly how the genetic mechanism underlying these epigenetic marks might work.
University of California, Santa Cruz geneticist Susan Strome, who was also not involved in the study, notes that even if the DNA methylation mode of non-genetic inheritance is rare, as Ferguson-Smith’s team suggests, it doesn’t mean all other modes of non-genetic inheritance are also rare. Modifications to histone tails, which Strome’s lab studies in worms, and small RNAs are passed down between generations and have epigenetic effects in at least some organisms, she says. “I would not extrapolate from the Ferguson-Smith paper to say that epigenetic inheritance is nearly non-existent.”

It helps to read before posting.........

I did read it. I was bringing it up in reference to you mentioning the rats thing.

Yeah Agouhti is one of several. Again if you DM me a reminder I can get back to you with references from my library.

The worms thing is interesting, however, because I recall hearing secondhand about some fascinating experiments to do with heritable memory or something, among certain kinds of worms.

There's a whole mess of factors. The other day I was reading about how gut biome in flies affected their flight patterns....

Sadly, this was an extraordinarily long time ago.

I've heard gut biome can effect appetite and activity levels, iirc.

Worth looking into.

The whole heritable memory thing might be an epigenetic factor as well. Again another rat study with lab rats inheriting maze running ability...

Are there any examples of such epigenetic changes occurring outside what could be defined is non-neurologically complex organisms? Aside from the Dutch Winter example.

I mean, being generationally transferred.

Dutch Hunger Winter was human. I would not call our species 'non-neurologically complex'

Reread what I wrote.

I mean maybe there is a mis-placed negative? Or are you asking about epigenetic transfer in humans?

I was acknowledging the Dutch Hunger Winter as being an example of the kind of thing I was looking for.

And wanting others.

Sure fucking tons if you are asking about neonatal epigenetics. Like FAS for instance. It's caused by endocrinological coding in-utero.

Sopalsky did a big section on how stress hormones can prime and then generationally cycle.

Also, for clarification, are we talking about an experiment where, for instance, a group of mice are tested for their maze running ability, and then bred, and their offspring is also tested for their maze running ability, and that the result was, the mice who had been subject to tests had offspring with a superior ability to navigate mazes which couldn't be explained by the mate selection?

https://puu.sh/E0DOw/caa32bcff3.png

https://puu.sh/E0DPa/138805ccc9.png

....maybe provide another example, lol

I cannot recall the specifics which is why I asked you to DM me a reminder so I can get into my library tomorrow.

Howdy fellas

Yeah Sopalsky doubled in Primatology and Neurology. You should check out his bio150 at Stanford they have the whole course on YT. The texts are Glicke's *Chaos* and his own *Why Zebras Don't get Ulcers*.

But you do need at least some basic knowledge of neurobiology to get through it. I'm afraid the pre-reqs are not available from Stanford's YT. But with a general knowledge of how neurochemical signals work you can get through.

I think you missed my joke.

Oh wait the Jew thing? I mean if that's a problem likely you should avoid science. It's pretty Jew-ey.

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I mean science. Fucktons of Jew there.