Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-08-03 05:07:17 UTC  

No but he is saying something equally stupid.

2019-08-03 05:07:29 UTC  

He's saying something which is demonstrably *true*

2019-08-03 05:07:56 UTC  

Only if you know nothing about evolution could you consider that to be "true".

2019-08-03 05:07:57 UTC  

This is the paper which he cites

2019-08-03 05:08:03 UTC  

The evolution of *new* traits, requires an extraordinarily long time. The change in the distribution of *existing* traits, can occur very quickly.

2019-08-03 05:11:49 UTC  

Yes OK a papaer by a couple of anthropologists who make drastic misunderstandings of evolution compounded by the deranged interpretation of someone who knows nothing about either subject.

2019-08-03 05:12:18 UTC  

AKA typical Faulk.

2019-08-03 05:12:42 UTC  

You're literally arguing against the proportion of traits being subject to the proportion of individuals in a population with those traits.

2019-08-03 05:12:48 UTC  

I hope you eventually realize how dumb that sounds.

2019-08-03 05:13:02 UTC  

Maybe someday.

2019-08-03 05:14:02 UTC  

This is basic bitch selective breeding shit. Of all the people in the world who are too dumb for animal husbandry, I didn't expect one to be a biologist.

2019-08-03 05:14:33 UTC  

I'm arguing the documented rates at which a trait, even under "fast evolution" even under "gene-culture co-evolution" can become dominant.

2019-08-03 05:15:00 UTC  

It would vary by trait and circumstance.

2019-08-03 05:16:40 UTC  

Yes and the metric for that is called 'drive' or 'meotic drive'. This is well studied. A quick look at that research would prove the premise impossible.

2019-08-03 05:17:03 UTC  

Except that it has happened.

2019-08-03 05:18:01 UTC  

In the fevered dreams of Ryan Faulk it happened. In the material world we inhabit it cannot happen.

2019-08-03 05:18:43 UTC  

Look at how dramatically the face of agriculture can change in a relatively shot period of time, or dog breeds. They have something in common, it's a consequence of aggressive deliberate human selection. Mankind is, itself, subject to human selection.

2019-08-03 05:19:54 UTC  

And we're not even necessarily talking about a specific population adopting new traits, but just changing the ratios of traits.

2019-08-03 05:20:20 UTC  

Do you understand selection pressure?

2019-08-03 05:20:26 UTC  

That's like saying, "there's already scottish terriers, let's make more of them"

2019-08-03 05:20:44 UTC  

you're acting is if this is something unfathomable

2019-08-03 05:21:00 UTC  

I'll take that as a "no"....

2019-08-03 05:21:25 UTC  

Apparently *you* don't understand fucking MATH.

2019-08-03 05:22:04 UTC  

No wonder the college system is in the shitter. Someone can legit go through 6 years and not understand this concept? I'm in awe. Goodnight, sir.

2019-08-03 05:22:06 UTC  

Oh the math is simple.

2019-08-03 05:22:37 UTC  

I did hear it takes kids 6 years these days so I cannot fault them for being slow....

2019-08-03 05:25:16 UTC  

Better call evolution guys, according to Jym, math is cancelled.

2019-08-03 05:25:47 UTC  

So let's overview selection pressure just to bring you up to speed. The example I gave earlier of lactase persistence. The survival benefit is **twice*** the caloric intake of those who do not have that adaptation. Regardless of laws or custom. Now compare that to medieval laws. Which may or may not catch the offender and may or may not remove them from the gene pool. Which has a stronger drive?

2019-08-03 05:28:03 UTC  

You have to evaluate the comparative advantage vs disadvantage. As well as the costs. How much more likely is someone to die before reproducing if they'e lactose intolerant? Is someone going to force you to drink nothing but milk for your entire adult life?

2019-08-03 05:29:52 UTC  

Or hey lets look at a shorter period of the same characteristic. Violent crime from 1994 to present (25 years) what is your rate of change and it *that* genetic?

2019-08-03 05:30:49 UTC  

And it is total life and reproductive opportunity remember starvation could remove you from the gene pool as recently as the last century.

2019-08-03 05:30:57 UTC  

Maybe some of it. But almost certainly not all of it. But then, if we're talking about specific regions which experienced dramatic demographic shifts from high violence populations, it's more likely that it was genetic.

2019-08-03 05:31:27 UTC  

So total calorie intake has been a consistent survival factor unlike the vaugaries of law.

2019-08-03 05:31:27 UTC  

For instance, taking 60,000 Somalis and putting them into a Midwestern town.

2019-08-03 05:32:29 UTC  

that calorie intake factor would have to presume the alternative from a specific food source is lethal starvation, or malnutrition to the point of primary or secondary infertility

2019-08-03 05:32:37 UTC  

Taking 60K Somalis and putting them into a midwest town was clearly a mistake. I was talking about evolution not culture. Don't change the subject.

2019-08-03 05:33:03 UTC  

Are somalis genetically identical to the dutch descended natives?

2019-08-03 05:33:38 UTC  

It was malnutrition or lack of estrus historically. Again caloric intake has been a major concern for human populations up until very recently.

2019-08-03 05:34:15 UTC  

You'd probably be surprised how little calories is survivable. And how many sources there are in many environments.

2019-08-03 05:34:43 UTC  

Especially if you're not surrounded by a concrete jungle, and are supporting a relatively small population.