Message from @Machinimal

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2019-08-04 15:28:54 UTC  

not sure how concrete this is

2019-08-04 15:29:30 UTC  

it's a two way thing

2019-08-04 15:29:56 UTC  

increase in temperature causes permafrost to melt and the organic matter within to decompose, releasing CO2 into the atmosphere

2019-08-04 15:30:27 UTC  

but CO2 is also a greenhouse gas so CO2 increases can increase global temperature

2019-08-04 15:30:39 UTC  

they don't increase it directly, and that's a very important point to make

2019-08-04 15:31:04 UTC  

the increase in CO2 and subsequent temperature increase causes an increase in water vapour, which is a much stronger greenhouse gas

2019-08-04 15:31:19 UTC  

of course, this doesn't mean all the predictions are correct

2019-08-04 15:31:38 UTC  

just that a slamm change in CO2 can be amplified by water

2019-08-04 15:33:24 UTC  

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and if you look back at the temperature record, you find that there are times where each case is true

2019-08-04 15:33:38 UTC  

sometimes temperature precedes CO2, others CO2 precedes temperature

2019-08-04 15:33:47 UTC  

because CO2 isn't the only factor in the universe

2019-08-04 15:34:56 UTC  

there's also the increase in amount of plants due to co2

2019-08-04 15:35:42 UTC  

ye but plants don't affect global warming

2019-08-04 15:35:57 UTC  

they have little net input or output of CO2

2019-08-04 15:36:00 UTC  

they do affect local climate though

2019-08-04 15:36:08 UTC  

in a roundabout way

2019-08-04 15:37:56 UTC  

also stupid question

2019-08-04 15:38:08 UTC  

how does sea level rise if the ice sitting on the water melts

2019-08-04 15:38:17 UTC  

the north pole has no landmass

2019-08-04 15:38:23 UTC  

it's a floating ice sheet

2019-08-04 15:38:59 UTC  

it's less dense than the water so volume doesn't matter in the same way

2019-08-04 15:39:14 UTC  

and it already displaces the amount of water it contains more or less

2019-08-04 15:40:05 UTC  

Here's a great debate on Guns and their effects in the US

2019-08-04 15:40:12 UTC  

well

2019-08-04 15:40:15 UTC  

you see, mach

2019-08-04 15:40:17 UTC  

More Guns = Less Crime

2019-08-04 15:40:29 UTC  

you fucking moron

2019-08-04 15:40:36 UTC  

there's a tiny little sliver of land

2019-08-04 15:40:38 UTC  

CALLED GREENLAND

2019-08-04 15:41:20 UTC  

which is close enough that it has glaciers and shit on it

2019-08-04 15:41:29 UTC  

then there's also antarctica

2019-08-04 15:41:35 UTC  

which is mostly land

2019-08-04 15:41:38 UTC  

yeah but antarctic isn't melting much

2019-08-04 15:41:49 UTC  

it's actually growing iirc

2019-08-04 15:41:52 UTC  

the thing with greenland is it will be sudden

2019-08-04 15:42:16 UTC  

there are colossal meltwater lakes that would go all at once

2019-08-04 15:42:47 UTC  

they would also potentially disrupt the ocean's currents but that's another story

2019-08-04 15:59:01 UTC  

just did the math