SPartans had legit slaves, tho

well yes rome had actual slavery, but they also had indenture

Like you could sell yourself into slavery as a means to prevent your whole family as a means of paying off entire debts owed. You could even trade your children.

Rome even allowed you as a family to have a vote and if it was unanimous you can legally kill X family member and decimate them from the history

whether one outweighed the other depends which era

were the ancient jewish kingdoms even real or was it all part of the story they told each other to reminisce as if they were descended from great kings?

legit question

I don't know, till I just looked it up now, prompted by ana, I thought it had merit

Ancient Israel did exist, but archeologists disagree on the details.

Indentured Servitude in Rome was more about swearing an oath to a patrician house for X seasons in exchange that they cover your debts, etc.

that would have been back when the republic was strong and democratic.

Israelite kings are attested in Assyrian and Moabite sources.

Its like telling the bank "I'll work for you, for like 7 summers. if you cover the debt. But I do my own thing outside of summer." and they shake

most my jewish history knowledge came from the bible stories in the old testament, and to me it all read like a bunch of tribes in small villages making up stories on how they used the be the biggest kingdom in all the land until they did an oopsie and angered their god

and the roman republic was not democratic

before caesar initiated perpetual dictatorship and colloseum games reigned

democratic-ish

I meant when the senate actually mattered

Literally the roman republic was just an Aristocratic gov't system with elected officials where the senate had most of the power. Plebs didn't even receive the vote till later

still better than unilateral dictatorship that came after

The problem with studying ancient Israel is that it's height of power is situated in the dark age following the Bronze Age Collapse, so there are few contemporary sources.

Caesar was the final dictator, his nephew became the 1st Emperor and didn't change much of the system's gov't power beyond placing Emperor above Consuls. The system didn't get fucked until after Augustus even.

plus Caesar ran the gov't like a populist and kept ensuring the people got shit. He basically got ganked in all reality as the senate saw him as being disrespectful as he had terrible diarrhea according to some versions of the story and he wouldn't stand at that specific meeting because he would have shit himself

imagine the last few meetings you got up and left to shit because you had diarrhea and people got pissed with you to the point where if you did it this time, or even stand because they demand it, you shit yourself. Imagine how bad it has to be if you're suffering from essentially dysentery over the past 3 days, and get stabbed for it.

well that's..... an interesting way of looking at it

the other way would be he installed himself into power by marching the army on the city itself

an act no legitimate government can survive for long

He did march into the city and declare himself dictator, i'm not denying it. As Pompey even declared himself dictator before he took it himself

Becoming dictator as a title isn't hard. Dictator was even a title traded off between consuls when one left to go to war and had to stay out for long periods of time, the other became dictator and they traded.

Caesar's reason was that pompey was a dickhead who took the glory for his actions in Gaul, that's why he marched across and went to civil war.

true enough, but they voluntarily vacated the title when their time was up

Caesar said "nah, its me, period."

He was no Nero, but still

or was I thinking Calligula... fuck now they're blending together

Caesar wasn't even dictator for the full duration a dictator could even last on the chair. And Dictator the title itself could be extended. Which they did by popular opinion at the time due to changes and reforms he planned and were setting into motion. While he is meant to swap places with a consul every 6 months, they never did because the others were dead.

where was I... Slavery didn't seriously negatively affect the republic until they outpopulated the citizen soldiers coming home from tours

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when you have to explain to the police you scream autistically at video games for a living

kek

I wish I lived in a place I could raise my voice without people coming in and telling me to shut the fuck up

and I mean to barely above 'trying to talk over a moderate wind gust' level

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