We have, conservatively, 6- 10 thousand years of written history: do you legitimately believe we played in the mud for the remainder of that time?

and when it fails

thats when we stop it

huh interesting

Yes, because I don't pretend to know the fucking future

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp79b00752a000300070001-8
@Jokerfaic

You can read it or you can refuse to. I don't really care.

I can't even tell what your stance in this conversation is, so, that's unlikely

I am an occultist who enjoys melting the minds of secular people

It's a pastime of mine

>"is against trans people but says they should be allowed to try their experiments in the name of science"
watch your use of the present tense there, bitch

i was an atheist and pretty devout too then i did a bit of occult practice myself

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-quantum-physics-experiment-questions-the-existence-of-objective-reality
dab

*is against trans people but says they ought to have been allowed to try their experiment in the name of science

though more in the name of 'eh, why not

yea i mean that doesnt change the sentence much

more freedom than science

yes it does, because you imply I'm okay with them continuing what has failed

well i admit that sentence is better

i think its equally flawed though

To be a completely free individual is to be liberated from existential purpose

to be free is absolute self-determination. you can choose to oblige yourself of a purpose and still be free

but the nature of choice is also consequences

When the majority are given ultimate freedom with no goal to aspire to they devolve into hedonism

dont you see that that mentality en masse. leads to the things weve been discussing

in the long term

thats a fault in the lack of a goal, not the freedom

What is a greater *goal than a shared godhead which unifies the conscious experience under an identity and purpose?

while not a permenant solution, a common enemy serves well enough

hm

@ComradeChaos have you ever done psychedelics

Yes I have

I've wanted to try, but I get the impression I should be restrained before doing so

and under supervision of trusted acquaintances

That sounds like a terrible time...

Restrained?

i have quite an extensive... knowledge on them

I just feel like I'd be the kinda guy to aggressively explore

ive personally done 6-7 different psychedelic chemicals

that or I'd be scared to tears

lsd 10ish times on its own