got it

but you dont use/dont believe in VPNs?

So, spoof you mac address and run through a VPN

if i recall

I do

And use

ah

was someone else

Both, those are still vulnerable

Either from 0days we don't know about, or the VPN provider themselves @Crafty

yeah, i'm with you

VPNs are only as safe as far as you trust the VPN provider

You're just moving the controller of the data from your ISP to a private business

Exactly

*Your ISP still does control your data, but not to the same extent, as it doesn't know what you're doing*

still, being that most ISPs don't even keep up the a pretence of respecting your privacy i guess it's a step up

Legally in the UK they're required to log every website you visit for 2 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016

Snoopers Charter for you

so if you wanted to clean out your history as it were, you'd have to use a vpn seamlessly for 2 years

and even then you'd not know if they retained info

They likely retain more information than the law requires them to *as they can sell it*

But basically yeah.

They would still know you're using the internet at what time and from where

But the content they wouldn't know

pretty hard to trust VPNs that are inside five eyes as a result i suppose

Pretty hard to trust VPNs at all

true

it's all in degrees

Even if you rent a box and run openVPN on it, you're trusting that box provider

If you build your own machine and deploy it with openVPN then you're trusting the onsite security of that location

Then, you need to start looking into I2P and TOR

..and OS

windows is spyware

And hardware

lol, it never ends

build your own hardware

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/781493632293605376

Let me try find what I was talking about just

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

This is it