Message from @Firefly
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@Машенька 🐻 What's wrong about a little religion here and there?
A religion out of a political ideology is absurd
Why is it absurd?
Lenin thought we shall not exercise religion and nobody did.
What follows? Nobody believes in anything really
Apathy follows
Negligence
and rotting
Soviet Union had no chance
Lunacharski and Bogdanov warned Lenin about that
If you lack beliefs you become neutral politically.
You can’t just make something up so people can follow what you say and promise them with things that are never going to happen. Using religion to gain power/be listened to is just stupid. People realize it’s just all nonsense and then you got people rebelling or running away
People rebel faster without an ideal
That’s because they’re suppressed and they can’t really rebel
You see people trying to flee the country because they can’t rebel, they can’t fight for their rights
What holds people from a rebellion if not an ideal?
People need an ideal
They have a need to idealize as well
It's how brain works
Let's not multiply their suffering
Yes they do I agree with you on that but they also need free speech, and rights as well. In some countries people can’t rebel otherwise they get killed literally. So they have to pretend that yes they do agree with their ideal 100% whereas they don’t.
Well, some people have no sense of a good measure
Most people
Is normal?
Taking everybody’s rights away and giving them nonsense to gain power is just beneficial for the leader not to anyone else.
Maybe it keeps the country intact in some ways but it’s wrong
Depends. The Leader might care of it's followers.
It is not only corrupt who gain power.
True and honorable people gain power as well.
Then the leader wouldn’t give them all those lies and threaten them if they want to speak freely
True and honorable people gain power as well, then why do all those horrible things just to be in control?
Not true. It is normal to idealize for the masses. They resist critical thought. They like an ideal. And if the ideal is not The Great Leader then the ideal is someone else and trashy. One way or another masses idealize but in first case they also have a Leader that is true to them.
There is a difference in leadership.
@Машенька 🐻 Control might be means and not a goal.
Literally you got no freedom of speech whatsoever you can’t criticize the countries leadership regime otherwise you end up in a political prison.
Ok gain control, be their leader, but an actual leader that cares for his followers
It is violating individuals rights while defends the country and a nation.
Is a trade of
A leader should make his followers love and commit to their country from their heart. There is a difference between doing something because you’re forced to and doing something because you want to