Message from @Calimero

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2017-11-14 18:11:33 UTC  

by workerism, I not only mean adherence to "traditional white working class values" as a concept, but also the tendency to pander to other communities whose cultures have similar reactionary trends

2017-11-14 18:12:03 UTC  

what are white working class values?

2017-11-14 18:12:57 UTC  

reactionary ideas spead through bourgeois media in working class environments.

2017-11-14 18:13:05 UTC  

like what?

2017-11-14 18:14:11 UTC  

xenophobia, willingness to go back to previous stage of capital ("it was better when we had the factories"), etc.

2017-11-14 18:14:37 UTC  

homophobia in some parts, but that is not exclusive to the "native" populations

2017-11-14 18:14:42 UTC  

thats my point

2017-11-14 18:14:44 UTC  

and do you think that is common in communist parties? I think you would be hard-pressed to find that commonly among communist parties

2017-11-14 18:15:22 UTC  

The Dutch SP is a good example of this,

2017-11-14 18:15:38 UTC  

What xenophobic thing did they say

2017-11-14 18:17:11 UTC  

here he says "In the Netherlands we speak Dutch" after a Turkish SP member just thanked his family members in turkish

2017-11-14 18:17:52 UTC  

please send me the direct link to the picture

2017-11-14 18:18:44 UTC  

its there

2017-11-14 18:18:55 UTC  

i mean on facebook

2017-11-14 18:19:02 UTC  

i dont see why his name is like that when his rael name is jan

2017-11-14 18:19:20 UTC  

because its his private account

2017-11-14 18:19:45 UTC  

is he refering to the turkins people commenting or to the turkish PM?

2017-11-14 18:20:06 UTC  

Dutch-Turks "Turks Nederlanders"

2017-11-14 18:20:21 UTC  

but his party is full of this kind of stuff

2017-11-14 18:20:25 UTC  

depending on the location

2017-11-14 18:20:42 UTC  

But mainly in depressed industrial zones zhere workerism is a phenomenon

2017-11-14 18:20:56 UTC  

So how do we fight it

2017-11-14 18:21:03 UTC  

hmm i just found anaother source

2017-11-14 18:21:25 UTC  

and he actually said that which seems stupid

2017-11-14 18:21:46 UTC  

anyways, he said this, and it seesm to me to not be justified for him to say that

2017-11-14 18:22:02 UTC  

and it says here he was heavily critized for it\

2017-11-14 18:22:07 UTC  

i think that is how you fight it right?

2017-11-14 18:22:13 UTC  

if someone says stupid shit like that

2017-11-14 18:23:00 UTC  

The problem is these mentalities are present within European radical left parties

2017-11-14 18:23:14 UTC  

i dont feel like it is though\

2017-11-14 18:23:15 UTC  

like Die Linke

2017-11-14 18:23:24 UTC  

i dont see a widespread occurence of that

2017-11-14 18:23:30 UTC  

why wit hthe die linke

2017-11-14 18:23:42 UTC  

like campaign posters which show that would show it better for me

2017-11-14 18:23:54 UTC  

one individual member is not really showing a widespread issue right>?

2017-11-14 18:24:08 UTC  

Well he was their ex-leader

2017-11-14 18:24:31 UTC  

and the woman who leads Die Linke is anti-refugee

2017-11-14 18:24:49 UTC  

can you source that ?

2017-11-14 18:24:51 UTC  

the die linke part