Message from @Leon Trotsky

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2017-12-06 20:09:16 UTC  

we cannot simply condemn him for everything

2017-12-06 20:09:18 UTC  

Newcomer? I have been for awhile

2017-12-06 20:09:19 UTC  

he did do some good things

2017-12-06 20:09:22 UTC  

like be a good strategist

2017-12-06 20:09:30 UTC  

and help lead the red army

2017-12-06 20:09:39 UTC  

then again, stalin did do some stuff too

2017-12-06 20:09:50 UTC  

Hmm

2017-12-06 20:09:51 UTC  

he was basically a smaller version of trotsky, but in the caucasian front

2017-12-06 20:09:54 UTC  

he took tsaritsin

2017-12-06 20:09:55 UTC  

Like kill people that disagreed with him

2017-12-06 20:10:02 UTC  

deport ethnic minorities

2017-12-06 20:10:21 UTC  

exploitation and manipulation to secure power

2017-12-06 20:10:27 UTC  

Purging the soviets

2017-12-06 20:10:31 UTC  

Basically, Stalin is not a cool guy

2017-12-06 20:10:34 UTC  

ect. ec.t ect.

2017-12-06 20:10:56 UTC  

is anyone here for left unity?

2017-12-06 20:11:12 UTC  

Depends with who

2017-12-06 20:11:20 UTC  

And for what

2017-12-06 20:11:26 UTC  

In the case of revolution, no

2017-12-06 20:11:31 UTC  

If it's against reactionaries then yes

2017-12-06 20:11:34 UTC  

Agreed

2017-12-06 20:11:49 UTC  

but full left unity?

2017-12-06 20:11:55 UTC  

Not gonna happen

2017-12-06 20:12:01 UTC  

damn that's rough

2017-12-06 20:12:06 UTC  

Anarchists won't unify with anyone, tankies won't unify with anyone

2017-12-06 20:12:25 UTC  

Tankies hate everyone else, everyone else hates tankies

2017-12-06 20:12:25 UTC  

i got this party in serbia where we have demsocs, tanks, trots and ancoms all with full left unity

2017-12-06 20:12:35 UTC  

Maybe we can unify trots and leftcoms though

2017-12-06 20:13:03 UTC  

Could happen

2017-12-06 20:13:18 UTC  

leftcoms are the best meme of the century tbh

2017-12-06 20:13:47 UTC  

Trotsky predicted that revolution, when isolated, would inevitably become a bureaucracy

2017-12-06 20:13:57 UTC  

This is because backwards places like Russia lack the productive forces

2017-12-06 20:14:04 UTC  

And a bureaucracy arises from this

2017-12-06 20:14:11 UTC  

wait i gotta get my trot bingo card out

2017-12-06 20:14:32 UTC  

```Soviet America will not have to imitate our bureaucratic methods. Among us the lack of the bare necessities has caused an intense scramble for an extra loaf of bread, an extra yard of cloth by everyone. In this struggle our bureaucracy steps forward as a conciliator, as an all-powerful court of arbitration. You, on the other hand, are much wealthier and would have little difficulty in supplying all of your people with all of the necessities of life. Moreover, your needs, tastes and habits would never permit your bureaucracy to divide the national income. Instead, when you organize your society to produce for human needs rather than private profits, your entire population will group itself around new trends and groups, which will struggle with one another and prevent an overweening bureaucracy from imposing itself upon them.```

2017-12-06 20:17:18 UTC  

@Scorpion found your bingo card yet?

2017-12-06 20:17:35 UTC  

Also

2017-12-06 20:17:41 UTC  

trying to

2017-12-06 20:17:47 UTC  

i have a lot of shit on my shelf

2017-12-06 20:18:02 UTC  

Ho Chi Minh killed the Trotskyists that were involved with the August revolution