Message from Nemets in Literature Club #tir
- C.S. Lewis, *Mere Christianity*
Only a real progressive is willing to acknowledge when it’s time to turn around and retrace our steps
@Nemets What made you pick up this book in particular? I'm trying to dig into European history on the whole but it's hard to know what's worth reading and what's not.
if it's 600+ pages and the 1 star reviews on amazon aren't about formatting errors or freudianism it's usually at least half decent @Mick
How is it written? Is it tough to read, meaning, maybe a little dry?
I'm enjoying it, but it is pretty academic
Ok with academic, that can be written in a way to keep you reading imo.
I'm very inexperienced with Russia, does it get into what it means to be Russian wrt ethnicity?
I'm only 7% into it so far - but a lot of it is past the arrival of ryurik
I don't know if ethnic conflict was later, obviously soviet era
was a big deal
I've always been curious about the history of the various groups that fell under Russian influence
how those groups formed, how they interacted with Russian influence and power, etc.
he was a viking of finnish background that united a lot of slavs and founded Rus'
his descendants would rule russia until the death of Ivan IV "The Terrible"
Ok. Ivan was the first Czar, so he was of Viking decent? I though Ivan was the beginning of a new era in Russian rule and culture...?
I've got some learning to do.
russians are a mixture of a lot of different peoples, just like americans
slavs are the main group, but they have a lot of finnic and ugrian ancestry, with a sprinkling of tatar and german
That's my very elementary understanding. I was just under the impression Ivan was the beginning and not the end of an era
in a lot of ways he was
he was both...?
can you calrify?
probably a lot to clarify, haha
don't mean to ask for a history lesson haha
after mongols destroyed kiev and a lot of principalities, base of russian civilization shifted north of the forest line to places where nomadic hordes were less capable of attacking
moscow was a very loyal servant of the mongols, and gained a lot in power and wealth relatively during that time
by the 15th century, the mongols were destroying themselves through fighting between descendants of genghis khan and new warlords
so moscow was able to retake a lot of territory that had been lost
a lot of the various principalities had their own identities at that time, and regularly rebelled against moscow
Ivan IV is pretty famous for sacking novgorod, a major city that had its own identity, and he played an even larger role in his grandfather Ivan III in promoting russian identity in the territories he controlled