How so?

The idea they wouldn’t agree with, every person there.. hard to see that

You're right, they would only take issue with the people who want to suceed.

But now you're simply splitting hairs to win the argument.

As in they wouldn’t agree with what the south did (secede) but that doesn’t mean they instantly hate and disagree with every single southerner

It doesn't require hate.

No that’s what you are doing by comparing every country and politician in every country to the exact same standard

It simply requires that people follow orders.

Would they not?

Wiping the entire southern population, no I don’t think they would.

Why not?

Why would you? You are the one who is making the assumption everyone follows every order no matter if it defies your oath or not.. so it’s up to you to provide that evidence. I don’t have to defend logic or reason. There’s an oath for a reason in this country... the civil war and our debate applies to US logic and reasoning correct?

What makes America fundementally unique where this can't happen?
It happened in Germany, Russia, China, but it can't happen here. Why not?

The evidence is in human nature.

Happened in dozens of countries in Africa during the brush wars in the 70's & 80's. Happens in the middle east. Happened in South America, but it can't happen here. Why not?

Because we have systems in place and measures in place to help prevent or fight them, not saying it can’t happen. But it has the least chance to happen or succeed.

Systems that are dissolving before our very eyes.

But systems that are in fact in place, but let’s go back. What makes you even think in a civil war here if it was to happen, that the North would even go for a general wipe of the south? With what hardware, with what resources? Per capita most military personal are in fact southerners, so where is the evidence to begin supporting that opinion? Or let’s even go bigger and further, what if the politicians split and the south has crooked leaders just as the north? How would a scenario like you were thinking play out when all the bad people aren’t all on one side?

Hold on, internet buggy.

Alright. Second question first:

No worries

The entire point of sucession is to get away from the corruption that's plaguing the North, correct?

Before we go further with that. Just to make sure.

Do I have that understood correctly?

Yes, in general let’s say that is the main reason for civil war number 2

Alright, not saying that can't happen, but it definitely defeats the purpose.

Alright, point number 1, would be harder this time, but the problem is that people adapt. Life would get harder for the North for a time, but like Great Britain during WWII, this only goes so far.

I’m not disagreeing but let’s think, what is a corrupt politician? Because we both know both parties have their faults, there’s corrupt in both. So what if the southern leadership has those same politicians?

Well, and this is why my position has always been "Stop retreating and ceding ground, start taking the ground back." My father was from NY state, hardcore republican, very conservative protestant, hated unions to right down to the bone.

I can agree to simplify though, let’s go ahead and make all corrupt go to north and the south is then fighting the corruption or seceding for that reason. Is that right?

Sure.

Not that that's likely.

Ok so you then think that the north’s first and foremost goal is then to wipe the southern population?

No, the North's goal would be to retain the South at any and all costs up to including the Southern population.

People are replacable, the land isn't.

But we agreed the north has the corruption and politics that go with it which means they don’t want just land they want full control. Which is enslaving the population not destroying it, but let’s dive in. With what resources do you think the north has to do this? As stated before, per capita there’s more southern military personnel than northern. Most of the infrastructure that supports the military industrial complex also sits in the south ( not saying there is none in the north or what is there wouldn’t be formidable)

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Well, and this is where things would get really bitter. The North would, at first, lose that control. But let's say that the South does manage to stop the Northern invasion, which it very well might. But then what happens after that? I would posit something very much like the China/Taiwan situation, or the North/South Korea situation. Those places exist as long as the United States is there to back them.

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The North would enter a cold war mentality, where the population would be conditioned to hate the the people who seceded, seeing them as deceivers and slave masters.

Sorry, autocorrrect seceded.