That being said, there is no doubt that it was one of the most tragic events in our nation's history. The fact that Americans would take to the field against one another is one of those things that makes me wish to punch a wall. A kid from Texas is no less human than a kid from Minnesota. The fact that we spent nearly five years slaughtering each other pisses me off.

Well...are ya ready for round two....?

Do we count people who don't believe in the Constitution as Americans?

I mean.. “lawfully” they are. But hey soon everyone will be an American...sooo...yes...yes

I think it makes more sense to judge people by their practices than their words. They don't like our nation. They're actively seeking to destroy it. They say the people who founded it were evil. They enact segregationist policies. They view their fellow citizens as enemies in every sense of the word. As far as they're concerned, the Bill of Rights needs to be torched so that they can enact their grand cultural revolution. Which, in everything but name, is a witch-hunt for heretics and blasphemers against that which they hold sacred.

I don't believe they're Americans. It's not a civil war. It's...what is it exactly?....

Fascism/ communism

And not the good kind.

Ahhh. Radical fundementalist terrorism.

That too. Communism in name, fascism in practice.

They are literally the Nazi’s they claim all republicans are.

I know. When a corporation does something they don't like, they say corporations are evil, that private property is a sham. When corporations do something they like? "But Muh Private Property."

We probably won’t have it. My dad has been preaching, and he’s talked about things that’s going to happen in the Biden/Harris administration that has happened, but not mentioned

Probably won't happen.

He nailed them barricading themselves in at the White House with national guard and a wall since December

I just noticed something.

There *are* four factions. Which I knew, even if I forgot it since November. But it's crystallizing now. But I was always mislabeling them.

I said something like "Among the politically aware, there are four groups. The Establishment Democrats, the Populist Democrats, the Patriots, and those who simply wish to be left alone."

But what does the populist Left stand for? Communism. They hate the Establishment Left as much as we do. Maybe even more so. The were the Bernie Bros.

What are the Establishment democrats? Well, they're the Fascists. They're all about big corporate power as long as it acts within the interests and the confines of the State.

Then there are the Patriots and the right-wing anarchist groups. We know who they are.

We know the Establishment is going after Antifa. And we know Antifa is rioting in protest of the establishment. We're watching the tankies and the Fascists have it out.

So the populist left is basically the left wing version of us?

Yes but no?

I mean they kinda are, we both oppose the establishment because they cheated us in some way

Difference is in details

No because of the baseline philosophical divide.
Because we're more devoted to creation and preservation.
I don't think the tankies want to create or preserve anything. They say they love the poor, but I think the reality is that they simply hate the rich. And if they have burn the whole world just to spite the rich, they totally would.

You're right in the strictly political sense, though, Thicc.

Speaking of the establishment factions, aren’t they mostly congressmen, or and their supporters(major corporations)?

And I guess the Establishment Right would be the Aristocracy. Bush, Cheney, the like.

Question...has Biden made that special tax for those making over $400,000 a year yet?

id say there is 3
populist left
populist right
and establishment
you can say people want to be left alone but that isnt a real group they can hold these views and keep quiet.
its in history too ww2 and modern civil wars comes to mind

I think he did that at the same time he removed the Trump tax cuts

Those who wish to be left alone are their own faction. They have guns too, but they're not aligned with us. Narcos, Ancaps, that kind of thing? They don't believe in national pride. They think the whole idea of Nationalism and having a cultural identity as some sort of stupid joke.

If all of us got wiped out, I don't think they'd be sad.

They’re more like the drug addicted raiders from fallout

I was an Ancap for a long time. They're all about non-aggression. So they aint going to come hunting for you or your stuff. But they also don't believe in the idea of "Being an American."

It's either you believe in free trade and non-aggression, or you do not. There is no in-between.

establishment will concede to whatever is popular and within their interests.
populist left wants more for the people to sacrifice the state and in turn themselves by failing the rest
populist right wants to self govern and do whats right for them.
in my opinion the right has it more on spot with separate rules for different areas, but they want control like any other and will inact rules all the same that hurts different livelyhoods. there is no real one policy just self governance for each area for their needs. and if it fails people leave and it collapses. to be born again with a new idea. non-urban areas has it easier cus less restriction works.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say they’re anti capitalists?

Who?

Ancaps

No, Ancap stands for "Anarcho-capitalist."

^

Ah I see

Doesn’t the anarcho part seem a little contradictory to the whole nonaggression thing?

So as long as you're not trading in people *anything* is on the table for sale. Sex, drugs whatever.

not all anarchists are non-agressive