Message from @nono

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2021-02-26 19:50:23 UTC  

I did not. Someone did though.

2021-02-26 20:26:42 UTC  

I'm still convinced this is the new norm, biden's economy

2021-02-26 20:27:16 UTC  

bought up a bunch of oil and whatever and I see a 8 dollar profit so far

2021-02-26 20:29:08 UTC  

I'm sure the climate accord will hurt that but the impeding war with iran will help it maybe

2021-02-26 20:29:24 UTC  

price of oil to go up like it was back in 2012, up to 5 dollars a gallon of gas

2021-02-26 20:29:35 UTC  

don't you guys miss those days?

2021-02-26 20:36:00 UTC  

Guys, I got an idea how to explain people why Socialism/communism will NEVER work. I just compare this to AI training, where AI should go thru course, Socialism i an big blob, but only one. Collision on course is inevitable. In capitalism collisions also inevitable, but instead one single blob, you got hundreds of small ones. Those who survive each part share own experience with others or they will be cloned, so every obstacle will be overcome. I thinking on making small presentation to ilustrate that principle...

2021-02-26 20:38:58 UTC  

I have no feedback to give to that... No idea what you're talking about. I figured AI programming was about a complex series of If/then expect scripts, rather than a blob

2021-02-26 20:40:22 UTC  

One thing you can do is point them to Karl Marx yourself. In his later years, he actually started disagreeing with what he had said earlier, said it wouldn't work

2021-02-26 20:40:35 UTC  

even Karl Marx thinks Marxism doesn't work

2021-02-26 20:40:46 UTC  

I mean self learning AI. it is about trying different approaches to every problem, until solution is found. gimme a sec and I will find some examples

2021-02-26 20:41:30 UTC  

That would still be if/then/expect based, just it's writing new code on it's own as it's progressing

2021-02-26 20:42:01 UTC  
2021-02-26 20:42:25 UTC  

theres 2 simple reason it doesnt work

2021-02-26 20:42:44 UTC  

1. we dont live in a post scarcity society

2021-02-26 20:42:54 UTC  

2. power corrupts

2021-02-26 20:43:03 UTC  

I know, but I wanna use this as example how this learning process works.

2021-02-26 20:43:35 UTC  

you always run out of other people's money

2021-02-26 20:43:43 UTC  

perhaps in the future when ai controls literally everything and we can just make things out of thin air it might work

2021-02-26 20:44:03 UTC  

Nah, people are greedy, they'll always want more

2021-02-26 20:44:21 UTC  

thats what the ai is for

2021-02-26 20:44:24 UTC  

We have the fattest, richest, poor people in the world

2021-02-26 20:44:30 UTC  

yup

2021-02-26 20:44:56 UTC  

@nono You way oversimplify this problem. As an person who lived in socialism, I can points at least dozen why it doesn't work. But I wanna to find an example, visualition to counter this argument of leftist : "bEcAusE iT wAsnT proPerlY ImplemEnted.."

2021-02-26 20:45:06 UTC  

Correction: We have the fattest, richest, laziest, poor people in the world.

2021-02-26 20:45:22 UTC  

I could quit my job, and not do shit for money, and I won't starve to death

2021-02-26 20:45:38 UTC  

anywhere else in nature, if I don't hunt or gather food, or find shelter, I'll die

2021-02-26 20:47:03 UTC  

The reason why I work, is so I can have more than the basic necessities

2021-02-26 20:47:34 UTC  

Extra wealth is my reward for my contributions to society

2021-02-26 20:49:13 UTC  

not to mention that extra wealth is an reward why you work, and why you have initiative to find new solutions. In socialism and other authoritharian systems (like feudalism etc) initiative is supressed

2021-02-26 20:49:37 UTC  

Take that away, then I stop contributing, but so does literally everyone else, then society collapses, unless you force people to work by pain of penalty of death or imprisonment. And if that's the case, you cannot claim to support socialism/communism and claim to be against slavery

2021-02-26 20:50:32 UTC  

exactly, in other systems lack of work is punished, but only in capitalism work and initiative is rewarded

2021-02-26 20:52:49 UTC  

or rather: in market economy, capitalism is an final form of that.

2021-02-26 21:00:09 UTC  

oof, that massive last minute of the power hour sell off

2021-02-26 21:00:14 UTC  

that's gonna hurt

2021-02-26 21:00:54 UTC  

and it goes back straight up

2021-02-26 21:00:56 UTC  

nobody wants to hold onto any stocks over the weekend

2021-02-26 21:01:04 UTC  

look at it!

2021-02-26 21:01:08 UTC  

wtf

2021-02-26 21:01:24 UTC  

straight to 110