Whole thing looked to me as a sham since the day I was born

Even the idea of liberal democracy is better than almost any other system of governance as it gives people at least some choice. This idea would seem laughable for most of history and now it is real.

It's nothing revolutionary lmao

Like it's just progression of bourgois rule

And it's still subjegated to political laws, despite opposing them

A democratic government controlling an established state would be viewed as a revolutionary and radical idea for most of history.

No it wouldn't

Because what we have is politically similar to Rome, oligarchy of the wealthy

Difference is that current regimes are better at manufacturing consent

But people are irrelevant just like they have been 2000 years ago

Oligarchy is a problem

Why is it a problem

How about we try to remove big money from politics?

You sat it is

How? Violent revolution?

Otherwise you won't remove them

As they are one who established this system in the first place

If it can be done in no other way absolutely.

Your method is to ask them nicely to stop

Revolution is a last resort but it is not off the table.

Ya but you won't have violent revolution

As masses are content

Why noe?

Ok

Big money gives them comfy life

Countries have democratically elected socialists before

And nothing changed ya

The problem is that the liberals then abandon democracy and try to get rid of them

And do so successfully

Also wrong

What is wrong?

Social democracy had pretty strong control in Western Europe historically

Yes

But they didn't eradicate big money from politics

And you think they never will?

Don't see way to do so

Everything you said was tried and failed

Liberalism is failing as we speak

And you will say that until it succeeds.

why are you even arguing socdem

I am gonna ban you