Message from @Existance-is-a-lie

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2021-02-24 16:43:10 UTC  

judeobolshevik

2021-02-24 16:45:55 UTC  

Firsf off he didn't consider them as a separate ethnicity but what they are - ethnographic group. Also the state mechanisms in his proposal would've meant gradual incorporation on lines based on industrial and general production influence. The Macedonian state would've been more or less a compromise

2021-02-24 16:47:06 UTC  

Macedonian "State" it wouldn't have been the same apparatus as in the Yugoslavia that formed. He wanted it to be more like a soviet republic

2021-02-24 16:49:36 UTC  

@Existance-is-a-lie Russian power can not be avoided

2021-02-24 16:49:56 UTC  

Any formation of Slavic identity will naturally evolve from Russia

2021-02-24 16:50:01 UTC  

True but pan hyperborean Slavia would mean basically total control

2021-02-24 16:50:06 UTC  

Ya

2021-02-24 16:50:13 UTC  

is russia pushing pan-slavism to ukraine and belarus

2021-02-24 16:50:14 UTC  

Slava Russiyi

2021-02-24 16:50:15 UTC  

bruh

2021-02-24 16:51:02 UTC  

It doesn't necessarily since a lot of the underlying dynamics and culture are different

2021-02-24 16:51:05 UTC  

@Existance-is-a-lie it's not Russian fault all other Slavic countries are too weak

2021-02-24 16:51:53 UTC  

Russification of Slavs is inevitable step towards constricting Slavic identity in some distant future

2021-02-24 16:51:57 UTC  

Doesn't mean we should be under their almost exclusive hegemonic control

2021-02-24 16:52:07 UTC  

Oh? What's the alternative

2021-02-24 16:52:12 UTC  

There is none

2021-02-24 16:52:29 UTC  

Yugoslavia with all its faults was a pretty successful state

2021-02-24 16:52:35 UTC  

Besides for Serbs and Bulgarians it wouldn't be so bad at all

2021-02-24 16:52:56 UTC  

If you combine all Slavs but Russians you still can't match them

2021-02-24 16:53:15 UTC  

Without Russia you might as well start speaking German

2021-02-24 16:53:21 UTC  

There isn't a need (or I think even a desire) to want anything other than economic cooperation with the eastern slavs / Russians

2021-02-24 16:53:43 UTC  

Without them we will forever be within EU

2021-02-24 16:53:45 UTC  

Assumes we were top actors in these dynamics

2021-02-24 16:53:59 UTC  

Which isn't controlled by slavs

2021-02-24 16:54:13 UTC  

it isn't primarily controlled by any nationality

2021-02-24 16:54:22 UTC  

By the west it is

2021-02-24 16:54:32 UTC  

The Bulgarian liberation for example. Russia didn't invade the turks because they just loved us. They wanted to vasalize us (and did for some time)

2021-02-24 16:54:39 UTC  

Of course

2021-02-24 16:54:49 UTC  

You don't think I am aware of it?

2021-02-24 16:55:00 UTC  

But ask yourself, where would you be without them

2021-02-24 16:55:16 UTC  

Bulgarians started serious uprisings only when backed by Russians

2021-02-24 16:55:24 UTC  

Our material interests and conditions are different from Russias. Yugoslavia was again a successful state even with its flaws

2021-02-24 16:55:33 UTC  

No it wasn't

2021-02-24 16:55:57 UTC  

Yeah I know but I won't suck them off in modern times and in modern geopol

2021-02-24 16:56:14 UTC  

Well no future for us then

2021-02-24 16:56:49 UTC  

yugo

2021-02-24 16:56:57 UTC  

Yugo was trash

2021-02-24 16:57:04 UTC  

KINGDOM OF SERBIA!

2021-02-24 16:57:10 UTC  

Ya that's based

2021-02-24 16:57:20 UTC  

SERBIAN INTERCONTINENTAL EMPIRE!!!

2021-02-24 16:57:24 UTC  

Ok