Message from @Nix

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2017-10-22 23:40:57 UTC  

I can second that, rabbit is delicious and you get fur and even feet to sell as trinkets

2017-10-22 23:41:25 UTC  

Pretty easy to care for too

2017-10-22 23:52:35 UTC  

As well as the fact that they don't stop reproducing

2017-10-22 23:52:56 UTC  

They can't be our main source of protien see:://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

2017-10-23 11:54:10 UTC  

As someone who has rabbits, I can tell you they're honestly the best option for fur and lean protein. Breed and grow quickly (obviously), and depending on which you breed, you can actually make some remarkably fat rabbits, or some very nice furs. Havanas are generally the best for non-wool furs (they don't shed so much after death, uniform fur length and texture, easier to skin without damaging the pelt) and are fairly decently sized. If you want meat rabbits, I'd say New Zealand Lops, or the Giant Chinchilla. Again, decent fur (though not as much as Havanas), but it's better for non-sale furs. So our own furs.
And, you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals. Beating the animal prior to death causes swelling, hematomas, etc., all of which will both weaken the skin (and therefore cause weak points in the coat and potential holes while skinning) and risk matting and dirtying the fur.

2017-10-23 11:55:42 UTC  
2017-10-23 11:56:04 UTC  

Spaced so as to not spam.

2017-10-23 12:00:38 UTC  

I really don't understand the stigma in fur farming. Like you said, the rabbits are treated well like any other livestock, it just happens to be that there fur is harvested. Cows' hides can be used for leather, and chicken feather can be used as down, how is that any different?

2017-10-23 12:04:08 UTC  

Generally duck or goose is better for down, but yeah. I honestly only have a problem with it when it's wasteful, but- Rabbit is edible, and good, and sustainable. They can't eat _all_ the things that might otherwise go in a rubbishpile or compost bin (rhubarb leaves come to mind), but they're great to give peelings and the sort to. I would just say to stay away from angoras, as they're honestly more trouble than they're worth and a very inbred... breed. Lots of troubles for them, since they had such a small pool.

2017-10-23 12:05:49 UTC  

And on the issue of rabbit-lean, generally that's a problem with wild rabbits more than kept ones. Kept rabbits, while lean, can be roasted in their own fat, or paired with birds like quail or chicken to compensate. Or, you know. Olive oil, butter, etc etc...

2017-10-23 13:59:21 UTC  

Rabbits are delicious too.

2017-10-23 14:23:51 UTC  

When prepared correctly.

2017-10-23 14:30:09 UTC  

@Nix thanks for calling me a fucking moron when talking about minks...i mean we arent talking about your rabbits that are domesticated ...most minks are wild animals and yes they are beaten to death maybe not anymore but in the recent past they have been ...i like how you pass judgements on topics that are apples to oranges

2017-10-23 14:33:06 UTC  

No, not at all. You apparently didn't read what I said. To quote:
`you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals`
No quality fur supplier would beat or otherwise torment their animals. The people who actually produce quality goods-- read, NOT the Chinese-- treat their animals with care and respect. A sick, ill-kept, or otherwise poor animal produces poor fur. Minks are not _beaten_ to death in the wild, either. They are caught by foot or neck snares, or in cages, so as to best preserve the quality of their fur.

2017-10-23 14:37:32 UTC  

ok not a big deal i dont think we will ever be advanced enough to invest in foot or neck snares to catch mink anyway...rabbits have a higher utility as you said...i just dont see the point of minks and i was trying to change the subject honestly all i know is a decade ago i saw a man chasing minks on a beach beating them to death...it may not be the most common practice but im worried that that is what it might turn into without untrained people that read an online post and say i should raise minks for fur what could go wrong

2017-10-23 14:41:22 UTC  

Oh, you can make simple snares from twine and a sapling. They're not very advanced at all.
Yeah. I am glad we can agree that rabbits are a higher utility, and don't let decade-old peta videos give you the impression that's at all the norm. Most modern people who deal with utility animals do try to be humane, even if it's not always compassionate.

2017-10-23 14:47:37 UTC  

haha you can make snares but getting the animal to go into it is another case...anyways i didnt want to pretend to be an expert on anything animal related the truth is is that anything animal related is not a sore subject to me but i understand it is for most like how halal butchers are considered inhumane in this day and age....and im not saying you would mistreat animals but if someone does its like the mark of the beast in society and it would really hurt our reputation, especially if we relied some part onhelp from city people who dont know how food makes it to the grocery

2017-10-23 15:02:20 UTC  

Oh, it always is, which is why people farm animals instead of hunt them, most of the time.
True, and I see what you mean on that count, but at the same time we wouldn't necessarily need to use the rabbits for sale to city people. Fur is an amazing insulator, (hats, gloves, etc etc); and the rabbit itself is good to eat and easy to maintain. But, humanely sourced fur is always going to be a commodity, and rabbit's paws and fur caps will generally sell fairly well, even as just novelty items.

2017-10-23 15:14:31 UTC  

if you have experience actually creating these items ...would you mind letting me know the necessary tools you need because i wouldnt assume a regular sowing machine would cut it...assuming youd stitch a liner on a hat or gloves...or is it really full on davey crockett where you just wear the furs

2017-10-23 15:19:27 UTC  

I am actually attempting to learn to stitch furs and leathers. As far as I understand, it depends greatly on the variety of fur you use-- a deerskin jacket/pants/etc will be very different from rabbit mittens or hats. I know certain varieties need leather-and-leather, or you have to use industrial grade needles and thread, while some need awls... But, as it is, I am only learning and am no expert there. Keeping rabbits? Great! I can answer lots. Using furs? Ehm... Working on it. But the degree comes first.

2017-10-23 15:19:53 UTC  

But with a hat, a liner would make it easier to wash, knowing that just from other sewing items.

2017-10-23 15:21:54 UTC  

ok yeah i just looked at your bio... cool stuff yeah id definitely be looking for learn more from you in time...

2017-10-23 19:47:45 UTC  

raising ducks would be useful for selling pillows, especially to hipsterfags

2017-10-23 19:58:15 UTC  

They're also absolutely delicious.

2017-10-23 23:04:42 UTC  

huh

2017-10-23 23:04:46 UTC  

i've never had duck

2017-10-23 23:08:47 UTC  

Try it with jam or marmalade

2017-10-24 02:42:10 UTC  

Personally, I find duck to be too greasy. It'd be great for rendered fat and pillow down.

2017-10-24 02:59:28 UTC  

Had duck the other night, rendered all the fat and saved it. Tried a brine but it was a bit much, still good though.

2017-10-24 03:18:32 UTC  

you can create a system too with hydroponics to use rabbit urine as fertilizer for plants to be even more efficient

2017-10-24 03:29:01 UTC  

@ram3n duck and goat cheese is some top notch stuff

2017-10-24 03:40:32 UTC  

@Roman Dreams how do you milk a duck?

2017-10-24 03:50:48 UTC  

@dsp fries it I wasn't clear-- I like eating duck with goat cheese on top

2017-10-26 02:12:12 UTC  

So are emus out of the question? It has the bonus of keeping the Aussies away too.

2017-10-26 02:12:49 UTC  

Also big eggs

2017-10-26 02:13:01 UTC  

Not nearly as many as with chickens though

2017-10-26 02:19:47 UTC  

LOL

2017-10-26 02:21:13 UTC  

No, they are too large and we don't even know what they taste like.

2017-10-26 08:02:19 UTC  

Guard dogs to be replaced with emus. HELL YEAH!

2017-10-26 12:14:49 UTC  

we can ride ostriches around the town as well