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fucking feds

On that note preferably I'd like to give the ATF no reason to worry about us. I think it goes without saying absolutely zero tolerance for illegal narcotics

No, I don't want any degenerate druggies in our community

fur industry is good

I could totally see myself having a mink cage up there. My fiancée loves fur coats

you'd need 30 or 40 for a coat.

Do farmers usually just sell the pelts to the companies that make them?

i personally dont see the purpose to raise an animal in order to beat it to death to sell it for fur...i mean its a real easy way to make women of any political leaning be turned off from it...

and mink coats can cost anywhere between 5 and 10 grand but thats retail and it usually sits on the rack for months or years so the retailer will need to make most of the money otherwise they wouldnt hold it ...plus there are always a ton at pawn shops so i really dont see it as a real valuable product to make new

@K_Wagner

(((they))) are winning the fur industry. Gucci is the latest (and biggest) to drop fur as part of their sortiment. Armani, Calvin Klein and multiple other major designers have all stopped using fur.

I know this because my home area is a large fur producer in Finland. Many farms are shutting down now since the supply is larger than the demand and prices aren't high enough to yield a profit.

That's fuckin gay

Modernity blows, man..

Treehuggers and hippies man...

https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2017/10/12/gucci-slopar-palsarna-djurrattsaktivisterna-jublar

Here's an article in Swedish

You can run it through Google translate though

Thanks, I will. This makes me want to go work in a slaughter house for a few weeks just to offset the cringe.

Fur is still doing pretty good in the east asian market isn't it? Maybe they'd like some American-raised fur that isn't from dogs.

Agh.. Hate this damn era

slaughterhouse is humane for the most part ...killing minks for fur is about as far from humane as you can get

http://www.chichesterinc.com/Mink.htm @Orchid I believe they have a warehouse in toronto. I went there a few times with my dad as a kid, could you check out their operation and report back?

The 3 problems I see with mink farming are feeding them, volitale comoditity prices and processing the carcasses. They only eat meat and they need a lot of it as they grow up and while they are breeding. Fur prices could plummet hard in the next crash, so it's not recession proof. From what i've read they smell awful and butchering them makes you smell like them for a week.

Regarding fur farming, rabbits are a really good option

Grow fast, meat tastes good

I can second that, rabbit is delicious and you get fur and even feet to sell as trinkets

Pretty easy to care for too

As well as the fact that they don't stop reproducing

They can't be our main source of protien see:://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

As someone who has rabbits, I can tell you they're honestly the best option for fur and lean protein. Breed and grow quickly (obviously), and depending on which you breed, you can actually make some remarkably fat rabbits, or some very nice furs. Havanas are generally the best for non-wool furs (they don't shed so much after death, uniform fur length and texture, easier to skin without damaging the pelt) and are fairly decently sized. If you want meat rabbits, I'd say New Zealand Lops, or the Giant Chinchilla. Again, decent fur (though not as much as Havanas), but it's better for non-sale furs. So our own furs.
And, you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals. Beating the animal prior to death causes swelling, hematomas, etc., all of which will both weaken the skin (and therefore cause weak points in the coat and potential holes while skinning) and risk matting and dirtying the fur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Chinchilla_rabbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Havana_rabbit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Alaska_rabbit

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I really don't understand the stigma in fur farming. Like you said, the rabbits are treated well like any other livestock, it just happens to be that there fur is harvested. Cows' hides can be used for leather, and chicken feather can be used as down, how is that any different?

Generally duck or goose is better for down, but yeah. I honestly only have a problem with it when it's wasteful, but- Rabbit is edible, and good, and sustainable. They can't eat _all_ the things that might otherwise go in a rubbishpile or compost bin (rhubarb leaves come to mind), but they're great to give peelings and the sort to. I would just say to stay away from angoras, as they're honestly more trouble than they're worth and a very inbred... breed. Lots of troubles for them, since they had such a small pool.

And on the issue of rabbit-lean, generally that's a problem with wild rabbits more than kept ones. Kept rabbits, while lean, can be roasted in their own fat, or paired with birds like quail or chicken to compensate. Or, you know. Olive oil, butter, etc etc...

Rabbits are delicious too.

When prepared correctly.

@Nix thanks for calling me a fucking moron when talking about minks...i mean we arent talking about your rabbits that are domesticated ...most minks are wild animals and yes they are beaten to death maybe not anymore but in the recent past they have been ...i like how you pass judgements on topics that are apples to oranges

No, not at all. You apparently didn't read what I said. To quote:
`you're a fucking moron if you think quality fur comes from mistreated animals`
No quality fur supplier would beat or otherwise torment their animals. The people who actually produce quality goods-- read, NOT the Chinese-- treat their animals with care and respect. A sick, ill-kept, or otherwise poor animal produces poor fur. Minks are not _beaten_ to death in the wild, either. They are caught by foot or neck snares, or in cages, so as to best preserve the quality of their fur.

ok not a big deal i dont think we will ever be advanced enough to invest in foot or neck snares to catch mink anyway...rabbits have a higher utility as you said...i just dont see the point of minks and i was trying to change the subject honestly all i know is a decade ago i saw a man chasing minks on a beach beating them to death...it may not be the most common practice but im worried that that is what it might turn into without untrained people that read an online post and say i should raise minks for fur what could go wrong