@Rin those kiwis I posted are native to siberia, so I think we can grow them. the reason most people don't grow those crops is because they aren't the super improved monsanto frankenstiens. you could grow something like this http://www.rareseeds.com/glass-gem-corn-/ and charge an arm and a leg to the city dwelling hipsters.

lmao

So you think aa commute to the city is out of the question for a job, but you are fine with it to sell fruit?

You don't need electricity to make coolers

i'd prefer to avoid society

@Lorenzo ?

I've lived for about two years without a refrigerator

Once a week is fine. Driving 40 mintutes one way each day isn't.

it's possible to control temperature inside a given envinronment

thick walls

i'll have just like a log cabin n shit

not too much in terms of walls lol

So?

Dig a hole

Add a step ladder into it

Board up the walls so it's not all dirt

and you have a cold box, if you do it well

You could fill it with snow during winter and you have a natural freezer for a good few months

also salting food is a good way to preserve food

40 mins one way each day is not even that bad...

You can make a greenhouse with pvc and greenhouse plastic.

Even in CA I know people who have worse than that.

right

People depend on electricity way too much today

It's all about relearning

what our ancestors knew

mhm

>tfw mexican has right idea for once

@Rin I'm aware, I have a 30 minute one way right now. I'd rather be doing something useful than be stuck in the car. Youre in CA so you don't have to deal with snow. that stuff fucks up commuting bad.

Dude, Spics and Nogs hate each other more than.. Pretty much anything

mhm

I'm not in CA, I used to be.

@Nix they fight over gibs.

I'm in the south.

Gibs and territory to accrue more gibs,

@Rin do you remember a few years ago when atlanta was paralyzed by 2 inches of snow. We'd be moving to an area that gets 10 times as much.

But anyway, if you choose to farm for a living from a hatred of commutes, that totally fine as long as you leave yourself enough to self sustain. Noone is going to mandate that from others though.

That's my only point, that and that all skillsets are welcome.

Yeah, I almost died laughing at them.

They get a dusting of snow and the whole city is paralyzed.