Messsage from SGL in Nick Fuentes Server #catholic-poasting-no-cultural-christians-allowed


SGL 2018-01-16 17:00:01  

Why is there a distinction? Probably due to culture and environment.

SGL 2018-01-16 17:00:19  

Was this part of God's plan? I can't fathom to know.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:00:50  

Or I don't have a positive assertion to a God I should say

SGL 2018-01-16 17:01:01  

>doesn't believe in God
>posts in the Christian channel

SGL 2018-01-16 17:01:10  

Ten outta ten my dude

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:01:28  

>can't defend Calvinism going beyond 1 layer deep

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:02:12  

You realize any ideology that you differ with could use the exact same argument you have. I could argue for gods existence far better than you because I have read these religious texts

SGL 2018-01-16 17:02:34  

Ok fedora lad

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:02:50  

So no argument for Calvinism?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:18  

Okay lets look at Christian theology

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:03:22  

Okay

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:44  

Does the Bible recognise the tribalistic nature of humanity?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:55  

I.e. that differences between groups are inherent

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:04:00  

Yeah of course

SGL 2018-01-16 17:04:06  

Ok.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:04:28  

You're making a conclusion that requires a jump from there that you're not justifying though

SGL 2018-01-16 17:04:39  

Did God make humans as agents of their own free will to some extent?

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:05:05  

Let's say yes completely given agency for the sake of the argument

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:05:26  

God's nature by it's very definition is essentially a mystery. All we have are the remaining texts that he left to us. That is what we know him by and what we can interpret his will as.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:00  

Wait hold up I wanna hear his reasoning

SGL 2018-01-16 17:06:04  

Ok then. Is it the fault of God then that some humans chose to collectivise themselves into groups that are inferior than others?

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:06:22  

Sounds like Deism almost.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:06:30  

The reasoning I mean.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:30  

In Calvinism *yes*

SGL 2018-01-16 17:06:33  

Thomas is right though - I can't make objective assertions regarding the motives of God

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:42  

This is my problem with what you're saying

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:07:23  

In Calvinism it 100% is the fault of God that people do these things. Both collectivizing and being individually immoral

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:07:34  

It's why I don't like Calvinism

SGL 2018-01-16 17:08:10  

Then so be it. In your interpretation, Christians should be egalitarian and that is also quite clearly false based upon Christian theology

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:08:19  

God obviously gave humans a certain degree of agency while at the same time outlining some form or another a means of possible, or at least plausible predestination.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:08:44  

No they shouldn't be because predestination is wrong, Calvinism is based on predestination and that is that

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:08:50  

In a theological sense, one cannot exist without the other.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:08:53  

By extension it's wrong

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:09:04  

No you can't have both

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:17  

Contradictions can persist everywhere that our minds can't comprehend. We know of only three dimensions, but that does not exclusively mean we do not feel the effects of a fourth, or that one does not exist somewhere.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:10:39  

Sure but you can't make any claim that's not the same as a contradicting

SGL 2018-01-16 17:10:48  

Of course you can. Otherwise why would humans be moral at all? If they are ascertained to not be one of the 'chosen few' then why do they not use their autonomy to live a hedonistic lifestyle? Because one can never truly know whether one is or isn't part of said chosen few and as such it's in one's best interest to act in a moral way.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:51  

I'm saying it is outlined in our religious texts specifically, that he did give us agency, but at the same time he does have some sort of intent, a plan.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:10:52  

You're talking about 2 things were consider that are mutually exclusive

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:57  

A type of predestination.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:11:09  

But exclusively believing in predestination is wrong as well.