Message from @Evropa Beagle

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2018-10-10 23:43:35 UTC  

This so sad can we sink Mediterranean NGO ships cry

https://youtu.be/EiIyyXL1Ct4

2018-10-11 00:11:52 UTC  

the one girl says she was born in italy

2018-10-11 00:12:07 UTC  

yet she still identifies more with stinkny boat people than italians

2018-10-11 00:12:13 UTC  

really makes you think

2018-10-11 01:54:31 UTC  

he has to be shit posting

2018-10-11 02:06:26 UTC  

39% white maybe that would've help with the demographic numbers

2018-10-12 04:34:29 UTC  

Bringing the NazBol meme to life. It has occurred to me that one aspect of the Soviet system that I think might have been successful is the soviets (workers councils) themselves. A council would be formed and a leader elected, who would go on to be a member of a higher council. I don't think this way of structuring things has been tried in any other context. It solves a number of problems though. In a democracy, I think there's a huge problem with the size of a consituency. If you want the attention of your representative, your individual vote matters little to them. Also, you can't be personally acquainted with them. I think this structure would work even better with a smaller council. Every effective organization is a hiearchy, and I think building up rather than out is the key to making it work. If you had a group of 5 to 10 people who chose a representative, I think the social cohesion would be high enough to keep that representative responsive. The process is iterative and exponential. Looking at organizations as fractals I think allows for a useful vector of analysis. The branching factor of a hierarchy might be used to compare unlike groups like how in statistics the z score allows you to compare the distributions of different datasets. I think there is a relationship between a smaller branching factor and the effectiveness of the organization. Compare an NGO with a military. An NGO involved perhaps two levels at the least, the executive board and the membership. In a military organization, the ratio is small as I've described. The NGO usually at best can collect donations and get low effort actions done, such as signing a petition. The military organization can get its members in shape and to undertake mortal peril.

I think the Soviet structure could have this benefit. I think if we formed small groups, elected leaders from them who formed groups, and iterated this process we could come up with something pretty spectacular.

2018-10-12 04:40:43 UTC  

The whole deal about that though is that with enough people you start to have larger hierarchies in order to keep the small group style cohesion’s and representatives responsible. What ends up happening is miscommunication and overwhelming as you get a large number of small groups with different needs and different places all going up to a smaller number of people as the you move the requests up the chain

2018-10-12 04:41:07 UTC  

I guess a fix to that could be more power lower down as to decongest requests

2018-10-12 04:41:23 UTC  

Also what really is NAZBol?

2018-10-12 04:42:11 UTC  

There's a Catholic term for that, basically make decisions at the lowest level cabable of making them.

2018-10-12 04:42:43 UTC  

Yeah that would be a solution to that

2018-10-12 04:42:57 UTC  

But I think there may be population restriction to that

2018-10-12 04:42:58 UTC  

I thought it was a dumb meme of National Bolsheviks. But I do think that this structure might work with different founding stock and a different ideology

2018-10-12 04:43:44 UTC  

Probably could, just not with the whole population. Good organization structure, military and police structure too.

2018-10-12 04:44:00 UTC  

But the general pop shouldn’t really need that

2018-10-12 04:45:00 UTC  

Possibly not. Might be a good quick way to spin up a political movement. I think some people on the alt right got to be in positions of power by being there first.

2018-10-12 04:45:11 UTC  

Some are no doubt talented

2018-10-12 04:45:15 UTC  

Yeah, I agree 100%

2018-10-12 04:45:27 UTC  

That would be great for the movement

2018-10-12 04:46:01 UTC  

Not to LARP but that was the Turner Diaries’ concept

2018-10-12 04:46:10 UTC  

Never read it

2018-10-12 04:46:12 UTC  

Bolshevim is retarded

2018-10-12 04:46:24 UTC  

I dunno if it's relevant to convo but idgag

2018-10-12 04:46:25 UTC  

To keep members from knowing everything it went through a lower chain

2018-10-12 04:46:40 UTC  

So low chain fulfilled minor stuff

2018-10-12 04:46:47 UTC  

And upper planned stuff

2018-10-12 04:46:52 UTC  

Yeah it is a dumb meme but I thought it would make a good hook

2018-10-12 04:46:57 UTC  

But no one knew everything

2018-10-12 04:47:02 UTC  

Nah it’s viable tbh

2018-10-12 04:47:14 UTC  

That’s why Boy Scouts do too to some extent

2018-10-12 04:48:11 UTC  

What would be a good name? Worth spinning up a server?

2018-10-12 04:48:34 UTC  

A good name for what? An organization for the movement?

2018-10-12 04:48:50 UTC  

Yeah, or this structure stripped of it's communist elements

2018-10-12 04:49:46 UTC  

Could just name it like a method. Like “chain method” or National Linking/bonds

2018-10-12 04:50:10 UTC  

I’ll think about it, worth making a server for I think

2018-10-12 04:50:10 UTC  

Fractal nationalism

2018-10-12 04:50:14 UTC  

^

2018-10-12 04:50:25 UTC  

Vectorial