Message from @Fran
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i got a good one
do u think palestine is a country, yes or no
sure
cool
Does it matter?
yes
tell me now
Palestine is a country both de facto and de jure, and it has a moral case for existence
Does a majority vote make something moral and how are morals developed? (In your opinion, this is a question to anyone)
most peoples morals are developed from tuning innate biases based on the conditions you were raised
^^^^
why do you think gladiators were a thing. just a product of their times/environment
What things are immoral regardless of how a society see it and how can we tell? @Fran
Generally our 'inherent' or natural morals arent really consistent with one another
morality is relative
Usually you adopt one of the more fleshed out moral systems; And You're either going to be a consequentialist or a deontologist if you do this
our inherent morals dont really say much
I mean like these morals that are consistent across most cultures arent really that specific
Usually its like 'incest is bad' and even that isn't 100% for all cultures
Mhm
Some people thing a more general statement all cultures believe is 'dont harm group X' where group X changes
but that seems a little silly to me, the societies that survive are going to be the ones that generally cherish some group
Whether it be the aristocracy or the childbearers
So i'd say thats survivorship bias more than anything
With regards to if things are universally moral; If you were a consequetialist it would depend on the consequences of the action
That's true for the most part
I asked this because I was having a discussion with someone about if a country were to make things like certain sexual acts or murder legal, would it be morally right because legally it is allowed/majority vote says it is alright to happen.
Id say no, unless you for some reason believe some weird kind of normative cultural relativism, but that has a lot of issues that come along with it
To be honest you're better off saying morals dont have true or false values than preaching normative cultural realtivism lul
I can see why you'd say that
But it really does beg the question on how moral things really are
If 100 years from now for example murder (or rape for an example) was legal and people got used to it and 200 after that people would see it as the normal and moral
Culture and time seem to create morals
I think if you think they have the same kind of true or false values as descriptive claims the idea that the morality of a thing depends on where in the world you find yourself to be is kind of silly.
For example, When I say 'This chair is brown', it doesnt matter if I am in England or in Kuwait
it would be weird if when I say 'This chair is brown' and I have with me a chair it is true in England but not in Kuwait
of course im assuming the languages have equivlanet words for the same things
that is; the brown in the language spoken in Kuwait is the same kind as in English
but it works just as well for say the US and England
How is it silly?
Language is different