Message from @Fran

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2019-11-06 01:28:49 UTC  

i got a good one

2019-11-06 01:29:07 UTC  

do u think palestine is a country, yes or no

2019-11-06 01:29:16 UTC  

sure

2019-11-06 01:29:44 UTC  

cool

2019-11-06 01:30:46 UTC  

Does it matter?

2019-11-06 01:33:31 UTC  

yes

2019-11-06 01:33:33 UTC  

tell me now

2019-11-06 01:34:35 UTC  

Palestine is a country both de facto and de jure, and it has a moral case for existence

2019-11-06 01:49:51 UTC  

Does a majority vote make something moral and how are morals developed? (In your opinion, this is a question to anyone)

2019-11-06 02:38:33 UTC  

most peoples morals are developed from tuning innate biases based on the conditions you were raised

2019-11-06 02:38:46 UTC  

^^^^

2019-11-06 02:39:19 UTC  

why do you think gladiators were a thing. just a product of their times/environment

2019-11-06 02:39:41 UTC  

What things are immoral regardless of how a society see it and how can we tell? @Fran

2019-11-06 02:40:07 UTC  

Generally our 'inherent' or natural morals arent really consistent with one another

2019-11-06 02:40:30 UTC  

morality is relative

2019-11-06 02:40:42 UTC  

Usually you adopt one of the more fleshed out moral systems; And You're either going to be a consequentialist or a deontologist if you do this

2019-11-06 02:40:52 UTC  

our inherent morals dont really say much

2019-11-06 02:41:07 UTC  

I mean like these morals that are consistent across most cultures arent really that specific

2019-11-06 02:41:19 UTC  

Usually its like 'incest is bad' and even that isn't 100% for all cultures

2019-11-06 02:41:29 UTC  

Mhm

2019-11-06 02:41:36 UTC  

Some people thing a more general statement all cultures believe is 'dont harm group X' where group X changes

2019-11-06 02:41:50 UTC  

but that seems a little silly to me, the societies that survive are going to be the ones that generally cherish some group

2019-11-06 02:42:06 UTC  

Whether it be the aristocracy or the childbearers

2019-11-06 02:42:24 UTC  

So i'd say thats survivorship bias more than anything

2019-11-06 02:42:44 UTC  

With regards to if things are universally moral; If you were a consequetialist it would depend on the consequences of the action

2019-11-06 02:43:24 UTC  

That's true for the most part

2019-11-06 02:45:05 UTC  

I asked this because I was having a discussion with someone about if a country were to make things like certain sexual acts or murder legal, would it be morally right because legally it is allowed/majority vote says it is alright to happen.

2019-11-06 02:46:00 UTC  

Id say no, unless you for some reason believe some weird kind of normative cultural relativism, but that has a lot of issues that come along with it

2019-11-06 02:46:23 UTC  

To be honest you're better off saying morals dont have true or false values than preaching normative cultural realtivism lul

2019-11-06 02:46:59 UTC  

I can see why you'd say that

2019-11-06 02:47:22 UTC  

But it really does beg the question on how moral things really are

2019-11-06 02:48:21 UTC  

If 100 years from now for example murder (or rape for an example) was legal and people got used to it and 200 after that people would see it as the normal and moral

2019-11-06 02:48:35 UTC  

Culture and time seem to create morals

2019-11-06 02:48:46 UTC  

I think if you think they have the same kind of true or false values as descriptive claims the idea that the morality of a thing depends on where in the world you find yourself to be is kind of silly.

2019-11-06 02:49:20 UTC  

For example, When I say 'This chair is brown', it doesnt matter if I am in England or in Kuwait

2019-11-06 02:49:41 UTC  

it would be weird if when I say 'This chair is brown' and I have with me a chair it is true in England but not in Kuwait

2019-11-06 02:50:10 UTC  

of course im assuming the languages have equivlanet words for the same things

2019-11-06 02:50:22 UTC  

that is; the brown in the language spoken in Kuwait is the same kind as in English

2019-11-06 02:50:28 UTC  

but it works just as well for say the US and England

2019-11-06 02:53:05 UTC  

How is it silly?

2019-11-06 02:53:12 UTC  

Language is different