just observing this conversation lets me know that its just a joke and it literally should have no effect on anyone

someone cllearly doesn't even understand what the "civil" means in "civil debate" just another brandead globe worshipper eh?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

wouldnt know, im not a globe believer

not you kiwi

ik.

the other one cussing out

cool @パートナーキラー

how long have you been flat @パートナーキラー ?

im not flat either

i used to be a globe believer until....i think a week from joining this server? which should be some time in february

ok, so you disbelieve the globe but you're not a flat earther, so is it fair to say you're a globe skeptic?

correct.

i disbelieve both/all models on the account of misinformation.

fair enough, I was a globe skeptic for a while

the globe model is ridiculous and as for whether it's flat, the truth is, we don't really know the reality of this place but it sure seems very flat

seeing as there is no provably, measurable curvature

and there isnt any measurable “flatness,” so we really cant understand completely what shape we live on. especially when both sides of this argument are heavily biased on their own research.

seeing as the place is aboutt 75% water and the water is level, it's far more likely flat but there's a possibility that there's more to it than that even. What we do know for certain is that we are being lied to by governments and media

not lied, but maybe even misinformed. if the entire government is on the thought of one thing, they are going to stick to that one thing and research more on that *one thing* until death. if they possibly were on an assumption from the start, assuming or predicting that the world they stood on was flat/spherical, then they certainly did not put much effort into disproving either. they stuck with a topic and elaborated with a closed mind. mostly everyone here is close-minded as well, and you can see that from the back-and-forth debates.

perhaps they are misinformed, the whole system from bottom to top is compartmentalised, each compartment knows only what it needs to know to perform it's specific function. Those at the top will know the most but in any case, we know things aren't what we're told and the evidence that this isn't a globe is overwhelming. Scientists, should, in light of available information should start to question it and test it and release peer reviewed studies. We know that's not happening and that's because the truth is being suppressed. The most important question, is: Why?

close-minded.

not at all

enlighten me

they arent accepting any other information. they are only disproving challenges by words, and not elaborating in the other side. they are sticking to their side and being stubborn, whilst they have the most availability to research over this topic than most americans.

this could be a situation for most, or even all “___-earthers”

nasa doesnt LIE, they DENY.

they deny that other solutions are probable.

they are close-minded.

I wouldn't say they didn't lie but they certainly are very misleading with the information that they do put out! they don't make corrections to the info they make available. even if it was a case of them withholding the truth, that would be a lie by omission

it may be a lie in some form, yes, but no on two factors. they are not aware of their mistakes, so it is an __unintentional lie.__ that, and the fact that we truly cannot know the true earth shape confidently, so they are stuck to one side to produce information of.

if nasa changed their mind all of a sudden, theyd be looked down upon and be claimed a fool, no?

thats another reason why they always disprove the flat earth.

rather than they should just *debate* the fact of other earth shapes, instead of sticking to one or immediately switching.

they need to become unbiased.

they definitely lie, no doubt about that tbh, they continually tell us they went to the moon in the 60s which we know to not be the case. and they continue to reinforce their lies with things like the ISS where they provably fake zero-g with harnesses, green/blue screen and various other aspects to convey the illusion of space and what man is supposedly doing

oh, i was talking about the bigger idea. yes, they may lie to support their side, but it is simply to support their side. they may have some malicious intentions, but it is all to show that they “know” at least *something* of what they support.

yeh for sure, but in any case, it's clear that we are being deceived and the true nature of this place on which we live isn't what we're lead to believe

and sadly it may be a long time until we’re all truly confident and together with something.

well, there's certainly common ground which we all share and it is Us vs Them, we're all victims to the lies and those that aren't aware of this yet need to snap out of it and wake tf up

agreed.