Message from @Grodd

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2019-04-23 23:59:10 UTC  

thats not an argument just a comment sorry

2019-04-24 00:00:56 UTC  

also "doing it for practice"

2019-04-24 00:01:06 UTC  

we all know you're gay jannet

2019-04-24 00:02:59 UTC  

It's a specifically different behavior. Like a chimp that mounts another male as a dominance display will otherwise behave in a heterosexual manner. Our species is weird in that individuals will continue to engage in that behavior exclusive to reproductive sexual expression. Other primates do not do this. Even non-primates like those "lesbian" birds? They cheat with male birds.

2019-04-24 00:03:13 UTC  

That's how they reproduce.

2019-04-24 00:04:12 UTC  

This is, on the whole, not the strangest thing about humans. Like running is really really unusual....

2019-04-24 00:06:17 UTC  

other animals run tho

2019-04-24 00:07:10 UTC  

No, they really don't. Running is different than galloping.

2019-04-24 00:07:35 UTC  

what about the bipedal dinosaurs

2019-04-24 00:08:25 UTC  

Well they're the same general principle just with bipedal versus quadripedal locomotion.

2019-04-24 00:09:05 UTC  

Like you basically are leaning forward then, while falling, pushing yourself against the ground for propulsion. Dinosaurs had essentially avian physiology it's a different thing. There's a great CARTA lecture on this let me see if I can find it....

2019-04-24 00:09:54 UTC  

doesn't seem all that different

2019-04-24 00:10:04 UTC  

plus all animals would be falling mid stride

2019-04-24 00:10:17 UTC  

There is also a lean for quadripedal locomotion for galloping. It's natural to account for the applied force. They're just not as pronounced as bipedal human running.

2019-04-24 00:10:25 UTC  
2019-04-24 00:10:31 UTC  

Humans dominate long distance running

2019-04-24 00:10:38 UTC  

Short distance not at all

2019-04-24 00:10:41 UTC  

And yes, galloping and running both involves airborne period.

2019-04-24 00:10:50 UTC  

Humans absolutely lose sprinting.

2019-04-24 00:11:00 UTC  

Yeah we actually outpace quadrupeds for distance.

2019-04-24 00:11:05 UTC  

But horses do real well at long distance.

2019-04-24 00:11:43 UTC  

However for most quadrupeds humans do have superiority in long-distance stamina.

2019-04-24 00:12:16 UTC  

Not as well as humans after a certain distance. We think that was a large part of early hunting. That while short-term we could not outpace herbivores over a longer stretch hominid groups could run them down.

2019-04-24 00:12:36 UTC  

i don't think exhaustion hunting was really that big

2019-04-24 00:12:51 UTC  

waste of energy

2019-04-24 00:12:55 UTC  

Oh it was huge.

2019-04-24 00:13:02 UTC  

humans on a tight energy budget as is with our brains

2019-04-24 00:13:09 UTC  

no need to waste it running long distances at max

2019-04-24 00:13:17 UTC  

Cooking solved the energy budget problem.

2019-04-24 00:13:49 UTC  

Like native American Bison hunting was pretty much all just endurance hunting. There's a large upfront cost in KCals but thee payoff is huge.

2019-04-24 00:14:15 UTC  

Yes, a Bison would provide a massive caloric payoff. Tasty, too.

2019-04-24 00:16:47 UTC  

Our digestive system is adapted to running. Like the differences in our intestines from other primates. Cooking is a huge part f that. This is something we have data on. Women who take on the raw-food diet do not have estrus half the time because without cooking we cannot digest enough energy to reproduce. We are some weird weird monkeys.....

2019-04-24 00:31:14 UTC  

still am not sure how much humans would have relied on exhaustion hunting in particular, since even aboriginals developed ranged weapons, as did every other group of humans

2019-04-24 00:31:58 UTC  

obviously though long distance running would have been helpful for long distance migration and so on

2019-04-24 00:36:50 UTC  

whoop he actually mentions that, that people stopped really doing it after inventing projectile weapons

2019-04-24 00:36:59 UTC  

Ranged weapons are good but we're talking about flint tip spears here not a modern compound bow or even a recurve that can one-shot a deer. So even on a good hit you're going to have to track the game as it bleeds out. Now if you have a whole tribe of hunters and you can run down a whole herd of prey the payoff in calories gained for the investment is much higher.

2019-04-24 00:38:42 UTC  

and i bet they were actually pretty accurate with those spears

2019-04-24 00:39:05 UTC  

This also contributes to human eusociality. There is no way for a hunter to eat an elk or a bison before it goes bad. Even with his extended family. But if you store the meat in the stomachs of other families who might return the favor it does not go bad and it contributes to your survival.

2019-04-24 00:42:12 UTC  

And yeah I am going back a few millennia here. Even the Sentinel Island tribe who broke off, what? a few thousand years ago? Still have non-recurve bows. A much higher tech than most of human history.

2019-04-24 00:42:37 UTC  

you don't need bows though even

2019-04-24 00:43:02 UTC  

lot of people had spear throwers, abos used curved smoothed knotted throwing clubs