Message from @Jym

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2019-04-25 23:48:00 UTC  

oh great my school is racist now

2019-04-25 23:58:15 UTC  

I'm an hour into the Zizek/Peterson debate

2019-04-25 23:58:35 UTC  

Zizek isn't a commie at all. <:pepe_sweat:378719424548569088>

2019-04-26 00:04:58 UTC  

Oh god... I think he's an eco-fascist

2019-04-26 00:12:29 UTC  

Caught that did you? He starts out by agreeing the Marxism is trash then goes through a series of explanations why he wants a socialist system anyway. I'm a bit disappointed Jordan didn't call him out on that...

2019-04-26 00:14:12 UTC  

@Jym I didn't catch the socialism part, tbh.

I'm not sure I would even call that socialism

2019-04-26 00:14:20 UTC  

Collectivized, sure

2019-04-26 00:14:40 UTC  

But that's not Marxism, which is his point

2019-04-26 00:15:48 UTC  

I feel like this is the argument the alt-right would make against someone calling them 'Nazis'.

"There are no more 'Nazis' in existence, not really anyways."

2019-04-26 00:16:33 UTC  

Point is: Zizek seems closer to the Alt-right than to the purple haired Feminists

2019-04-26 00:25:47 UTC  

@Fitzydog quite sure i've seen in prior videos him say that 20th century marxism was a complete failure

2019-04-26 00:26:16 UTC  

haven't seen this debate tho

2019-04-26 00:26:20 UTC  

Yeah, I think I've seen that as well, but I just assumed he was a different type of commie

2019-04-26 00:26:55 UTC  

That video from The Distributist is right. He seems almost Neo-Reactionary

2019-04-26 00:33:06 UTC  

@Fitzydog

The alt-right are loser to socialists than most other ideologies anyway. Like if you listen to Spencer when he gets off the topic of race he sounds more like Bernie Sanders than anyone on the right....

2019-04-26 00:33:37 UTC  

Oh, I don't give any credence to Spencer.

2019-04-26 00:33:57 UTC  

I'm talking about the legit alt-right, not ethnonationalists

2019-04-26 00:34:55 UTC  

Which, would be the Neo-reactionaries, not the alt-right these days.

So ignore all mentions of AR, my bad.

2019-04-26 00:35:04 UTC  

Most people conflate the two

2019-04-26 00:35:51 UTC  

Well I conflate the two because whenever I am assured they are different I ask where these other alt-right are. And am universally directed to ethnats.....

2019-04-26 00:36:52 UTC  

It's like I admit the possibility that there are somewhere in the world gamergaters who really want all women out of video games. I just have never seen one....

2019-04-26 00:37:38 UTC  

>legit alt-right, not ethnonationalists
uh

2019-04-26 00:37:45 UTC  

Fair enough. There's a lot of ethnats in both.

But that's correlation vs causation question, and a chicken and egg scenario

2019-04-26 00:38:31 UTC  

I judge ideas based on their merits, not on their creator's convictions

2019-04-26 00:39:07 UTC  

don't think you could make a solid case that the umbrella term alt-right doesn't include a sizeable portion of ethnats

2019-04-26 00:39:22 UTC  

I'm not. That's why I revoked my use of the term

2019-04-26 00:39:29 UTC  

hence why it's always used to slander moderate right people by the media

2019-04-26 00:39:38 UTC  

^^^^

2019-04-26 00:40:16 UTC  

Although I'm not even sure I'm a moderate. Like fairly extreme groups like the 3% and OK hate the ethnats.

2019-04-26 00:40:31 UTC  

It's kinda universal.

2019-04-26 00:40:56 UTC  

Well ANYWAYS, all of this is irrelevant. Sorry.

I misused a term lol

2019-04-26 00:41:24 UTC  

NO I mean I was more or less agreeing with your point about Zizek...

2019-04-26 00:42:08 UTC  

Yeah, I meant @Tero .

But socialist is the wrong term for Zizek

2019-04-26 00:42:18 UTC  

Damn, this third way shit is difficult to define

2019-04-26 00:42:44 UTC  

it is

2019-04-26 00:44:34 UTC  

I don't find it that complicated but I'm fairly conservative (as Sowell would define it not FOX).

2019-04-26 00:47:28 UTC  

@Jym A point Zizek made, is that from his perspective 'cultural Marxism' and political correctness are a byproduct of a materialistic society, and the free market itself.

What's your take on that?

2019-04-26 01:22:54 UTC  

@Fitzydog

My take has a sort of background count. firstly that I have spent a lot of time arguing with Socialists so I'm fairly familiar with their rhetorical tricks. and secondly I would consider Zizek a Fabian not a Marxist. Fabians are sort of frog-in-the-pot socialists. They recognize that arguing directly for socialism won't work so they argue unrelated problem than offer socialist programs as the solution to them.

This particular spin is familiar. Very often socialists blame all sorts of ills on capitalism because money changed hands at some point in the chain of events. Like calling Leopold in the Congo "capitalist" because he used money. Nevermind he was a King under a feudal system. Never mind that money changing hands took part in nearly every human interaction in recorded history.

2019-04-26 01:35:22 UTC  

@Jym Are you watching the debate?