Message from @Jym
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oh great my school is racist now
I'm an hour into the Zizek/Peterson debate
Zizek isn't a commie at all. <:pepe_sweat:378719424548569088>
Oh god... I think he's an eco-fascist
Caught that did you? He starts out by agreeing the Marxism is trash then goes through a series of explanations why he wants a socialist system anyway. I'm a bit disappointed Jordan didn't call him out on that...
@Jym I didn't catch the socialism part, tbh.
I'm not sure I would even call that socialism
Collectivized, sure
But that's not Marxism, which is his point
I feel like this is the argument the alt-right would make against someone calling them 'Nazis'.
"There are no more 'Nazis' in existence, not really anyways."
Point is: Zizek seems closer to the Alt-right than to the purple haired Feminists
@Fitzydog quite sure i've seen in prior videos him say that 20th century marxism was a complete failure
haven't seen this debate tho
Yeah, I think I've seen that as well, but I just assumed he was a different type of commie
That video from The Distributist is right. He seems almost Neo-Reactionary
@Fitzydog
The alt-right are loser to socialists than most other ideologies anyway. Like if you listen to Spencer when he gets off the topic of race he sounds more like Bernie Sanders than anyone on the right....
Oh, I don't give any credence to Spencer.
I'm talking about the legit alt-right, not ethnonationalists
Which, would be the Neo-reactionaries, not the alt-right these days.
So ignore all mentions of AR, my bad.
Most people conflate the two
Well I conflate the two because whenever I am assured they are different I ask where these other alt-right are. And am universally directed to ethnats.....
It's like I admit the possibility that there are somewhere in the world gamergaters who really want all women out of video games. I just have never seen one....
>legit alt-right, not ethnonationalists
uh
Fair enough. There's a lot of ethnats in both.
But that's correlation vs causation question, and a chicken and egg scenario
I judge ideas based on their merits, not on their creator's convictions
don't think you could make a solid case that the umbrella term alt-right doesn't include a sizeable portion of ethnats
I'm not. That's why I revoked my use of the term
hence why it's always used to slander moderate right people by the media
^^^^
Although I'm not even sure I'm a moderate. Like fairly extreme groups like the 3% and OK hate the ethnats.
It's kinda universal.
Well ANYWAYS, all of this is irrelevant. Sorry.
I misused a term lol
NO I mean I was more or less agreeing with your point about Zizek...
Damn, this third way shit is difficult to define
it is
I don't find it that complicated but I'm fairly conservative (as Sowell would define it not FOX).
@Jym A point Zizek made, is that from his perspective 'cultural Marxism' and political correctness are a byproduct of a materialistic society, and the free market itself.
What's your take on that?
@Fitzydog
My take has a sort of background count. firstly that I have spent a lot of time arguing with Socialists so I'm fairly familiar with their rhetorical tricks. and secondly I would consider Zizek a Fabian not a Marxist. Fabians are sort of frog-in-the-pot socialists. They recognize that arguing directly for socialism won't work so they argue unrelated problem than offer socialist programs as the solution to them.
This particular spin is familiar. Very often socialists blame all sorts of ills on capitalism because money changed hands at some point in the chain of events. Like calling Leopold in the Congo "capitalist" because he used money. Nevermind he was a King under a feudal system. Never mind that money changing hands took part in nearly every human interaction in recorded history.