@Tero i already knew what you said earlier, about why governments like mass immigration, but the way you phrased it made me just realize something: first world country mass-immigration is basically exporting the business of producing humans. bringing up a baby is expensive, yet in mumbo-jumbo land it's far cheaper. it's like having your stufff made in china rather than by locals

this also explains why having children is discouraged - because it's an economic burden

mm

Moment the left goes militant, militant minded groups take over.

i was actually going to say that, but migrants are also (like children) a net drain on the welfare system @aradesh at least the shithole middle easterner ones

@aradesh That is an incredibly bad idea though. The child was raised by mumbo-jumbo landers to live in mumbo-jumbo land.

big business who wants minimum wage workers to work their ass off don't care though

Their upbringing is often counter productive to life in the west

it's shortsighted, yes

but you can see the incentive

and when put like that... it makes sense (as in, as to why it's happening and encouraged)

Well yeah we've been saying this for a while now.

gotta keep those GDP numbers goin' up

yup

They reliably vote left, because that's who got them here.

but putting it in terms of exporting production of "people" is a very impactful way of looking at it, i think. as in, i think you could get people who didn't previously consider it, to be horrified by it

Question is when they stop seeing that ticket as a favor, and start seeing it as the lie it really is?

like, if you're left winged - you could argue that a) it's exporting foreign people to do cheap labour and b) depriving poor countries of their youth, energy, and the resources they put into educating and bringing up their children

yeah you'd think they would see that

BUT

They feel gratitude only because their lives improve so far.

the 'left' in actuality has been eaten by corporate shills

well of course

you can see why the individuals in these poor countries would want a new life in another country

but it's... disturbing when looked at like this

They are told what a horrible place America is and they still come. So they don't believe that apparently.

So how much of the immigrant left is just loyalty? I guess they get trapped in welfare too though.

it has parallels to olden day slave trade (of course not as bad)

but it's using the hard-earnt resources of a poorer country, for exploitation and benefits to a wealthier one

the resource being, a young healthy man

hang on a sec i have a thing somewhere

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@aradesh

how many of them actually work though?

i think this was from a speech in the 30s or something

@MerNihiliste a lot of them work under the table and get benefits

@aradesh It is why I call it modern day colonialism. We get the best of their countries. Their poorest cannot AFFORD to leave for America. Only their somewhat successful.

speaking of before the war times - this is a cute song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJY71fSfVdg&t=2m10s rip our old culture and traditions

it makes me sad to see this sort of old footage, because i know it's all but completely lost now

Just that their successful people are poor in comparison to us.

I think it's interesting that the importers assume they can maintain control of these populations. I'd assume at some point they'd want autonomy of some sort.

they assume people are interchangeable and after ageneration or two of western schooling they'll be as british as toast sandwiches, or whatever regional variant you want