Go join the military, and then get back to me

When you do it for them, they will hate you.

Read the rape of nanking and then go to modern Japan. Tell me nation building can't work after that.

You influence them and they are forced to question which ideas were even theirs.

Japan cost us billions.

There is truth in that I agree Ender, but you can stop people from oppressising them without giving them hand outs

Get your ass chewed out by the DI before you come in here acting high and mighty about nation building

Who oppresses them?

@Aztec Sun God How fucking naive are you to think that being imperialistic and imposing the American idea of utopia on the third world will result in anything but the creation of chaos and more terrorist organizations?

You're a fucking idiot.

This is why democracy is retarded, because people like you still have a vote.

Why are there oppressors? Why is there a power structure allowing violent multinational gangs and cartels?

The only people that know for sure, live there.

We send those countries millions in aid every year, and they treat it as though it's just part of their income, a normal, to be expected, part of the budget. Not a "fucking fix your damn problems this time" fund like it is.

@galesteppes Man, I like Tulsi better than this faggot

This is why its difficult to have a conversation. There are a million different facts and even more ways to interpret them, and the truth is always framed on what you include. I'm just saying would things not be better if we simply applied the money we already spend to better things?

Like our infrastructure

@Fitzydog why? Because she calls out the jews?

Maybe, but if by better things you mean, send that money out of the country, then no. We have people here who are in just as much need of it.

@galesteppes Because at least she understands nation building is a mistake

Im advocating for accountability lol fuck the Clintons fuck the Bushes and the Obamas they are all just a different type of the same ugly problem.

You haven't really explained why @Fitzydog

@EnderOctanus why what?

Why nation building is bad. Give them the reasons.

Okay, name a country it's worked in

I mean the cost in blood is obvious

Haiti and the Clinton admin is fucked. But that doesnt make the money sent there in the first place wrong to do so. It only makes the corruption clinton foundation fucked. Just stop sending the money you send to corrupt fucks.

@Fitzydog Japan and South Korea

@Aztec Sun God Hmm, and what's different?

We spent hundreds of thousands of lives in those countries.

A big ole military base saying "fucking try it" to corruption

We killed a large portion of their populations too.

Lol okay bud

The ones that stayed were the ones willing to make capitalism work.

@Aztec Sun God Could it be that both countries were fully functioning before we invaded?

The rest fled or died.

Korea not really

Japan yeah

There was still a wish to become a functioning nation, and nationalism

Try that in Afghanistan lmao

I'm not really sure you can call Japan functional pre US WW2 involvement

Well not in any way that would be good for people at least