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Well tbh before it, we had quite a few societal issues as well

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over again expecting a different result

How is targeted welfare leading to a collapse, but UBI doesnt?

How about the middle ground? Reform it to only the truly disabled.

@woll3 you didn't even read what I wrote above did you?

Maybe its because not all welfare is designed the same

Finland did just spend a few years trying out UBI and they was not able to find any benefits from it and all it did do was making people stop working

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki mental or physical?

Its like everyone here just ignored what I wrote about welfare collapse

*The welfare state WILL collapse*

Just like the guy who bought a yacht with a credit card WILL declare bankruptcy

only if it is trying too hard

there is a balance

Either. But only true disabilities. Non of this Obesity bs. @galesteppes

that still doesnt explain how UBI is better than targeted welfare though

@woll3 Do you know how welfare works in the US right now?

it a reason why norway the most rich nation pr capita are reforming the immigration system and welfare system, it cant be supported even with oil money at this rate

Thats exactly why i was saying that not all systems are designed the same way

@woll3 Do you know how it works?

Not in detail

Okay

@Fitzydog it works by having niggers lie and exploiting it

@Fitzydog well to be fair, all nations fail at some point or another regardless of social programs or not. No nation has lasted a ton of time, at the very least not in the original form.

@woll3 There are over 100 different agencies responsible for subsidizing people's lives, without any direct contact with funds, or via vouchers, or whatever

But that is not in itself a flaw of welfare, its a flaw of the US welfare system

@woll3 You're not even hearing what I'm saying

I am

That your machinery is bloated is well known, and thats what i would start working on first

Norway did combine all the agencies under one roof, it the biggest bureaucratical nightmare you can find

@Fitzydog woll is right what you are saying is a US beurocracy problem. Not innately q social welfare issue. As not all states with welfare have that issue

@woll3 The people who are in welfare in the US are coddled and babies by the state in ever aspect of their lives, to where they don't even have to LEARN how to take care of themselves.

Is it any wonder they don't know how to save money?

Housing vouchers

Food vouchers

Transportation vouchers

OFC you need to fuck them, give ultimatums

School vouchers

Thats how things work here

Which is why migrants prefer Germany in the end kappa

@Fitzydog to be fair. Some of those people are truly disabled. Also everyone has school vouchers

@woll3 All things combined, these benefits are MORE than $1000 a month