Message from @GeorgyBoyo

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2019-07-11 02:42:06 UTC  

Also the idea that the EU is simply a fourth reich controlled by germany is an incredibly shallow take

2019-07-11 02:43:05 UTC  

Who's in the control then lol

2019-07-11 02:43:07 UTC  

They want blue water ocean access on the West side of Russia, the smallest defendable land borders, and to achieve natural gas supremacy in the region.

2019-07-11 02:44:28 UTC  

No one is "in control" different countries have different degrees of influence, but no country is above the other. Any country that has a problem with certain EU legislation can stop it from passing.

2019-07-11 02:44:42 UTC  

Individual nations have an incredible ammount of power in the EU

2019-07-11 02:44:51 UTC  

lmao imagine believing MEPs have power

2019-07-11 02:44:56 UTC  

Lithuania alone can stop a legislation that all other EU countries support

2019-07-11 02:44:58 UTC  

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2019-07-11 02:45:27 UTC  

The parliament is only part of the EU, and the lack of power in parliament is exactly the reason why individual nations have so much power

2019-07-11 02:45:39 UTC  

Power to do what?

2019-07-11 02:45:46 UTC  

Postpone a vote?

2019-07-11 02:45:53 UTC  

Only to have to vote on it later?

2019-07-11 02:46:27 UTC  

The EU parliament lacks many powers compared to national parliaments

2019-07-11 02:46:38 UTC  

one crucial example would be the ability to create laws

2019-07-11 02:46:54 UTC  

Which are created by...?

2019-07-11 02:46:57 UTC  

but that is designed so the parliament cannot override individual nation states

2019-07-11 02:47:08 UTC  

@Fitzydog Do you know anything about the internal workings of the EU?

2019-07-11 02:47:15 UTC  

Yes, somewhat

2019-07-11 02:47:25 UTC  

I'm asking Socratic questions

2019-07-11 02:47:36 UTC  

Good for you

2019-07-11 02:48:07 UTC  

When was the last time say Lithuania created a law that passed

2019-07-11 02:48:16 UTC  

MEPs can't do shit, except vote yes or no on a piece of legislation that none of them proposed.

2019-07-11 02:48:17 UTC  

Lithuania doesn't create a law.

2019-07-11 02:48:41 UTC  

Nation states can suggest legislation to the comission

2019-07-11 02:48:54 UTC  

Who?

2019-07-11 02:49:01 UTC  

(((Nation States)))

2019-07-11 02:49:11 UTC  

Who exactly

2019-07-11 02:49:35 UTC  

The european comission?

2019-07-11 02:49:51 UTC  

Okay my bad when was the last time they suggested legislation

2019-07-11 02:49:59 UTC  

The comission?

2019-07-11 02:50:09 UTC  

like every single piece of legislation

2019-07-11 02:50:09 UTC  

And who makes up the commission?

2019-07-11 02:50:50 UTC  

The EU parliament appoints a president and he picks his "ministers" from nation states

2019-07-11 02:51:11 UTC  

Im not quite sure but i think it's one for each nation

2019-07-11 02:51:52 UTC  

So the people who propose legislation are nameless bureaucrats who are unelected, and MEPs are forced to continue voting until the proposed legislation is passed.

It's a fucking kangaroo court

2019-07-11 02:52:37 UTC  

The people who propose legislation is ellected by the parliament just as Sanchéz is ellected by the spanish parliament

2019-07-11 02:52:44 UTC  

The 'Commission' is actually in charge, and MEPs are just there for show to appease the people

2019-07-11 02:53:28 UTC  

Yes, the commission has absolutelly no checks at all

2019-07-11 02:53:40 UTC  

it's a complete rougue institution made of random people

2019-07-11 02:53:43 UTC  

from the streets

2019-07-11 02:53:54 UTC  

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