Message from Alphonsus in Nick Fuentes Server #general


2018-05-12 15:41:37 UTC  

True

2018-05-12 15:41:53 UTC  

which is why i said he just did it for the sake of his argument

2018-05-12 15:42:02 UTC  

But my answer to your first message

2018-05-12 15:42:12 UTC  

I hold him in extreme esteem, but in some matters he was repudiated by the magisterium. Example being, the Immaculate Conception.

2018-05-12 15:42:14 UTC  

would be that as far as I know mass/energy can't be created or destroyed

2018-05-12 15:42:41 UTC  

Not naturally.

2018-05-12 15:42:48 UTC  

right

2018-05-12 15:42:54 UTC  

So if it can naturally exist forever

2018-05-12 15:43:03 UTC  

isn't it plausible that it has always existed forever?

2018-05-12 15:43:15 UTC  

Lofi Hip-hop to study and beat minorities to

2018-05-12 15:44:07 UTC  

And I apologize that I'm not very well educated in this field

2018-05-12 15:44:13 UTC  

But I promise I'm arguing out of good faith here

2018-05-12 15:44:22 UTC  

Again infinity has largely been discredited as, for lack of a better word, paradoxical and illogical. Even physicists have deemed it so. Example being Georges Lemaitre, university of Louvain in Belgium.

2018-05-12 15:44:31 UTC  

No need to apologize.

2018-05-12 15:45:13 UTC  

I'm still learning about what Aristotle meant by the difference of potential and actual infinity.

2018-05-12 15:46:30 UTC  

Mathematic theory isn't my strong suit, but I love how he related the two, it shows his general brilliance if anything.

2018-05-12 15:46:33 UTC  

So is this infinity in concern to the passing of time or is it everything?

2018-05-12 15:47:33 UTC  

Infinity, being never ending, not expanding either. So this particular infinity deals with all of creation which is guided and defined by time.

2018-05-12 15:47:55 UTC  

No infinity has not at all been discredited by physicists

2018-05-12 15:48:15 UTC  

I never said all of them.

2018-05-12 15:48:21 UTC  

I simply gave examples where it has been.

2018-05-12 15:48:45 UTC  

Where?

2018-05-12 15:49:42 UTC  

George Lemaitre, one of the theorists behind the theory of the big bang, seen here.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441068168845197334/444888914071650344/BIG_BANG.jpg

2018-05-12 15:50:12 UTC  

You realize even the most basic calculus relies on infinities

2018-05-12 15:50:41 UTC  

Almost every branch of physics that we even study in undergrad has infinities within the theory

2018-05-12 15:50:46 UTC  

Infinity in theory or infinity in practice? That is, infinity for hypothesis, or infinity with regards to metaphysics?

2018-05-12 15:51:07 UTC  

That question doesn’t really make sense

2018-05-12 15:51:35 UTC  

And I'm not colluding the two, I'm simply saying is infinity being used for theoretical purposes or for actual explanations of the natural world?

2018-05-12 15:51:41 UTC  

Help me understand as you do.

2018-05-12 15:51:48 UTC  

Actual explanations

2018-05-12 15:51:58 UTC  

GR is the best example

2018-05-12 15:52:36 UTC  

It requires no discrete lengths in space or time basically so that you can for any given curvature in space create a locally “flat” thing called a spacetime metric

2018-05-12 15:52:57 UTC  

To do that the world has to be continuous in time and space, so infinitely divisible

2018-05-12 15:53:42 UTC  

It’s really analogous with epsilon delta I think it’s callled from calculus one. Which is why infinities are also required there

2018-05-12 15:55:14 UTC  

I understand the necessity of it, but I fail to see how this correlates with infinity with regards to creation? While I certainly hold no credentials, and that should be apparent, how does this figure into the Lemaitre-Tolman-Bondi model?

2018-05-12 15:56:08 UTC  

I mean how can accelerated expansion be believed in an infinite understanding?

2018-05-12 15:56:19 UTC  

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the model.

2018-05-12 15:57:09 UTC  

Let me look that up tbh I haven’t heard of it. Are you saying howncould they theorize that the universe expansion is accelerating indefinitely?

2018-05-12 15:58:21 UTC  

The expansion of the universe, and the theory of it, seem to contradict the idea of an infinite universe. I mean, how could infinity expand infinitely? That makes no sense.

2018-05-12 15:58:25 UTC  

Oh the ltb metric is inhomogenous which our universe isn’t

2018-05-12 15:58:44 UTC  

Again that's why I brought up Lemaitre and Edwin Hubble, that was their bread and butter