@josephchansen it's literally the foundation of all leftist theory, Marx clearly states that communism is the final stage with no state

That was also why Werlf left

I also thought about joining them But I am staying for a while because I am not sharing servers with a lot of cool peeps here

That is the idea not the function in practice.

I mean have you guys not heard of anarcho communists?

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@josephchansen yes sure, but that means that in practice it's not socialism

Werlf left?

anarchists are all retarded for the same reason

If we're being true to the theory

I saw him here just the other day @MountainMan

Anarcho communists are more communist Tham communists

Theory does not bend

Yupp he left also ages ago @Antiboom

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Or well. Like 1-2 weeks ago

Stop obfuscating Socialism just because you don't like the results.

But I'm not, you finally used the right word

All attempts so far have been varying degrees of socialism

Socialism turns into communism

Communism is honest socialism.

Communism is the same thing as socialism but without the state and all other changes that come with that loss

Especially even more control of life

It cannot exist without the state you idealistic fuck.

Why not

hOw To PoLOtIc

Cool answer

hierarchies, rulemaking and the like are central to human society

you cant have a group of people without these

You don't seem to understand government structures and human social hierarchies

No I do, and you're completely right

That's why it's something based more on the future

Marx talked about reformation of society

Eventually allowing this to work

Pipe dream

Call that optimistic beyond hell but that's the theory

society is a reflection of the needs desires and constraints of the constituent people

you can't just remake it however you want

That's why socialist projects are the only thing that would work rn

@Tero and you are completely correct