China has the same problem. The chinese dynasties have been so terrible with their neighbors that Vietnam immediately became our ally after the vietnam war. Why? Because they had enough sense to know that China was NOT their friend. Never had been.

Alright, I think we might be drawing the ire of the mods, we should keep the discussion to weapons from here on out.

Back to war of 1812 we may have failed to invade the northern British colonies, but we ultimately achieved what we desired: no more of our sailors being forced to serve in the British navy and the opening of trade routes previously blockaded by the British

Should we move this over to history?

So we achieved our objective therefore we achieved victory

Nah

I'm done

Just wanted to clarify that

He also pissed me off with how the 9mm is inferior

Everybody has personal preference, but the 9mm is a valid round due to its capacity and firepower

9mm is good, .45 is inferior to the 9. Personally I think that we should have adopted the full-power 10mm auto as our standard service round. If not that, then we should have switched it out for the .30 carbine in WWII.

Odk about 10mm

I think 9mm works fine

9mm makes for nice, easy shooting.

But 10mm is a solid round

And that's why it's a valid round.

Yeah

As well as capacity

That's really its main advantage

And it can put down hostiles just as good as the .45, so there's really no need for the .45 any more.

Full power 10mm is like a .357 chambered as a semi-auto round.

So if you're looking for more "oomf" for your pistol round, you can do that instead.

I'll say I prefer the 9mm over the .45 and believe it to be a tactically superior round, but with the right .45 rounds and pistol it still works pretty well

And 10mm is superior to the .45 in terms of power and velocity

.45 is perfectly adequate, but you have a lot more recoil and a lot less mag space.

.357 magnum is my fav

Also if you look at Canada's goals we achieved victory

Not a fan .45 outside of use in SMGs

So we both achieved victory and Britain lost

There

Alright, not that I have any authority, but this discussion should really be moved to history if you guys insist.

We hate Britain, we just love the crown which is technically Scottish first.

I think the discussion is officially done

I would like .30 carbine more in an SMG.

Too bad we scrapped all the factories.

And we *really* needed better mags for that rifle.

10mm is the best round for SMGs

Huh?

What factory?

Factories making the .30 carbine round?

I thought they were repurposed to other things.