No such thing as conservation of a liberal idea

You called the Founding Fathers Liberal

You are a liberal if you want to keep the ideas of a liberal document

Yes they are classical liberals

I don't care about your definition, but then that kinda means that by your definition, America is liberal

*cries in Connecticut*

Yes thats why I say we change our system

But Liberal has been appropriated by leftists

Doesn't mean those ideas arent liberal anymore

Then this wouldn't be a conservative party

The system is fine its those who are in charge who need to go

It wouldn't conserve the constitution

Good

The corrupt has changed the system into something else

This party should leave behind old systems

Our checks and balances has ben overrun

By financial powers

Again and again we have given offices and beurocracts more and more power

Why are we listening to an alien planet about what to do on planet earth

The American system is the most terrible thing in the World nowadays

Depends on what you mean

Because of the politicians

That is the Establishment system.

Yes, the Establishment is terrible

The CCP System

The constitution is part of the establishment

They have gained powers beyond the scopes that the Constitution has allowed

If you wish to get rid of the establishment

The Constitution called for limited government

You must get rid of the constitution

We don't have much of that.

No such thing as limited government

The constitution is fine it was made before corruption was a part of government

There is. A government with limits

No state can be limited\

A state encompasses everything it has authority over

The Constitution was made so the government could function with corruption. So that the people could have time to remove that corruption. We have become complacent

And guess what happened

If you want a place where the State runs you, North korea China.

The state grew over it

Because there is no such thing as limited government