Who's on what side?

Lmao, Id like to listen in

you can listen to his points after you've given yours

im now invested in HHH debate team

dont let me down

We need a smarter mind than mine to have this debate

we'll find a 2nd

I mean, I *could* play both sides but I'm honestly in the free will camp.

yeah i've not heard many convincing Determinism arguments

Maybe one of us can get Stardusk

To have the debate

If you have his number

Ill call him

Most people are sheep and hate free will

Do we have our arguer for determinism?

Determinism is an easy enough approach.

It's also an easy trap for intellectuals you get into.

Determinism is basically fate

think of it as viewing humans as simple programs

Input > output

It's one of many faults in basic economics.

@YuriBezmenov Free Will cannot be proven.

After all, by what objective standard will you measure it against?

Woo debate

At the same time, determinism is a way to avoid responsibility. While it's possible that we are simply cogs in a massively complex machine, we at least have the appearance of Free Will so we must be held accountable.

Tbh, i find most ppl merely smart monkeys. And i use the term "smart" here very generously

Sam Harris has done some good work on free will

Some famous christians have done a good job proving god exists

Millions of ppl believe them

It's as true as it can get , our brain has some a priori structures which make us perceive various things in various ways

Yeah

Ofc, my favorite logical fallacy has to be: "a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness"

Wtf is that

A ham sandwich is better than nothing, would you agree?

Maybe

Speaking of woo, woo puss is best. You guys just need to man up its just a bush the size of a rainforest and crystals covered in bodily fluids it's amazing <:lolz:480186121897377792>

Yes or no. Starve or ham?

Ham

And most people agree that nothing is better than eternal happiness

Therefore a ham sandwich is better than eternal happiness

Stop saying man up you tradcon:sweat_smile(i am kidding):