He literally participated and had his friend stand guard.

In the most literal sense, that is clear evidence of consent.

Consent relies on correct information. If were talking legal consent here then no I do not believe that is the case

It doesn't meet legal requirements and it's appropriate that the chick is punished because it's not like she can't be expected to know the rules.

By definition maybe, but that doesn't mean much

Consent without knowledge is just ignorance

Yes.

Consent coming from a 12 year old means nothing. It would be like assisting suicide with a depressed person

And accepting uninformed consent is considered predatory and that's why she's going to prison and being put on two life term probations and felt compelled to claim that she wasn't a threat to society.

Yeah

See, I'm not arguing the reality. I'm working through the hypothetical.

Because conversation and logical rigor are quite fun.

I don't really like debates for the sake of it

I've already had way too many and it doesn't normally achieve much

kids can never give informed consent because they cannot accumulate years of experience on a whim

I noticed. You just sat there and stonewalled and dug your heels in.

EM, say it a few more times. Maybe I'll understand what you're saying.

I stonewalled yes, but I'd argue that it was perfectly justified

You might as well have walked away.

You brought up informed consent which is different from uninformed consent

You're right, I even should've done that

i was previously only thinking about uninformed consent

The nuances are important, EM.

There's a reason the "reasonable person" doctrine is central to english commonlaw, which is what America uses as it's core structure.

Yep, thats why i disagree with the idea kids can ever have enough information to give consent

News headline: @Xychotic is for PEDOPHILIA!!

lol

You work for CNN, yuri?

Im an intern

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The main reason I hate debates isn't really because of the pointlessness of it

Its mostly just from the fact that they're always for show

Or personal ego

For show to whom?

We're all bros here.

I love debates as it forces me to use in my brain in real time

I'm not putting on a show for EM to fap in the background while chanting "kids can't do that"

lol

LOL

I know you're not

But most people do