Message from @KumquatLord

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2020-08-13 17:35:18 UTC  

He was smart but also a dumbass at the same time.

2020-08-13 17:36:11 UTC  

He was killed by the P-38 Lightning.

2020-08-13 17:56:57 UTC  

He never said that though

2020-08-13 17:57:24 UTC  

It’s misattributed and was probably completely fabricated and no one actually said it

2020-08-13 17:58:20 UTC  

He was against prolonged war with the US because he knew about America’s industrial capacity since he went to school here

2020-08-13 17:59:47 UTC  

@Dr Badass PhD What’s bad about that? P-38s were long range interceptors. He had no idea that the Japanese Naval codes had been broken

2020-08-13 18:00:14 UTC  

P-38s were very good planes

2020-08-13 18:00:20 UTC  

Maybe it's the way I worded it but the Lightning was a great aircraft.

2020-08-13 18:00:41 UTC  

Yeah, it was definitely the wording

2020-08-13 18:02:46 UTC  

@Paul Z Yamamoto **did** say: “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

2020-08-13 18:02:59 UTC  

Because that was in his diary

2020-08-13 18:04:12 UTC  

The reason why the Lightning specifically was chosen is because it was the only US fighter that had the range at the time.

2020-08-13 18:04:29 UTC  

America didn't need to drop the bomb

2020-08-13 18:05:29 UTC  

we did

2020-08-13 18:05:41 UTC  

It was that, or a sea air and land invasion of mainland japan

2020-08-13 18:05:56 UTC  

Which would have easily seen 10x as many people dead

2020-08-13 18:07:15 UTC  

@ComradeCosmonaut Sometimes i can’t tell if you’re trolling or not

2020-08-13 18:07:19 UTC  

Fire bombings did more damage then the atomic bomb, the Russians were on there way and japan was already on the brink of surrender

2020-08-13 18:07:33 UTC  

> @ComradeCosmonaut Sometimes i can’t tell if you’re trolling or not
@Lyte little bit of both

2020-08-13 18:07:44 UTC  

Their pride wouldn't allow a surrender

2020-08-13 18:07:50 UTC  

They didn’t want Japan split in half like Germany

2020-08-13 18:07:51 UTC  

Unless we did something drastic

2020-08-13 18:08:37 UTC  

because that’s what the soviets intended

2020-08-13 18:09:01 UTC  

I mean they still haven’t given back some of the northern island chain

2020-08-13 18:09:27 UTC  

Where Japan really lost was at the Battle of the Philippine Sea and the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

2020-08-13 18:09:40 UTC  

They lost everything after Midway wdym

2020-08-13 18:09:52 UTC  

They were on the defensive the rest of the war

2020-08-13 18:10:09 UTC  

What I mean is that they got roflstomped at those two battles in particular.

2020-08-13 18:10:24 UTC  

Which one was the Marianas Turkey shoot?

2020-08-13 18:10:26 UTC  

Midway was far more strategically important than Leyte Gulf or Philippine Sea

2020-08-13 18:10:31 UTC  

Philippine Sea

2020-08-13 18:10:50 UTC  

> Which one was the Marianas Turkey shoot?
@KumquatLord Philippine Sea

2020-08-13 18:10:59 UTC  

Ahh

2020-08-13 18:11:34 UTC  

They lost over 400 planes and the US lost 30. Thing was, we could afford those loses. They couldn't.

2020-08-13 18:11:39 UTC  

And yeah, midway was devastating because it killed their carrier fleet

2020-08-13 18:11:47 UTC  

It wasn’t the planes that hurt them

2020-08-13 18:12:03 UTC  

They had plenty of planes even during surrender

2020-08-13 18:12:17 UTC  

It was that they couldn’t train more pilots

2020-08-13 18:12:33 UTC  

> And yeah, midway was devastating because it killed their carrier fleet
@KumquatLord Philippine Sea was just the final nail in the coffin.

2020-08-13 18:12:42 UTC  

Leyte Gulf*