But the YF23 also had a lot of fees to consider and the fact that YF23 didn't do any weapons testing made F-22 more appealing

The yf23 still is an amazing aircraft on par or superior to the yf22

plus consider the fact that F-22 doesn't use Silica tiles to hide its exhaust signature

> The yf23 still is an amazing aircraft on par or superior to the yf22
@Identity crisis the plane Maybe more agile, but more expensive and hangar queen to maintain

The f22 was more agile actually

F22 had thrust vectoring and was smaller

Heard the other way around

Yess the 55.86 is a Majical machine

The yf23 was stealthier, faster and had better range but wasn't as agile

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Have you heard of Super cruise?

Yf23 and yf22 had supercruise

Yf23 supercruise is faster than f16 on full afterburner

> Yf23 and yf22 had supercruise
@Identity crisis the plane Never heard of YF23 having it, last I knew it used a different engine with no supercruise

The requirement was supercruise for both planes

Interesting...

The yf23 has supercruise

so there was media black out for YF23...

I'm not sure

You just said YF 23 had Supercruise and both planes were supposed to have it

meanwhile my sources state that only F-22 has it

What source

which is not only peculiar, but also strange

It had the same engine as the f22, yf119

And the yf120

Both yf23 and yf22 had those engines

> What source
@Identity crisis the plane I search a lot in the Military forums and blogs

The yf23 engine was made to supercruise, pratt & Whitley f119

I mean, what I heard was that the YF 23 used a non super cruise engine in testing, but you said that the super cruise was a requirement, so it conflicts with my sources making them the liars

There were 2 yf23 prototypes, they both had different engines

I know there were 2 of them, both are museum pieces now

The yf120 engine couldn't supercruise which was on one of the prototypes

Same with the f22

Ah so one was cheaper to maintain technically

but ultimately 119 was chosen

Yes because it was a more capable engine

While 119 is more expensive, it does have the fuel efficiency benefit

I think the 120 was just a placeholder for the 119 because the 120 couldn't supercruise

I could be wrong

You're correct, 120 couldn't super cruise but it was more reliable since it uses the same parts as 119 without the Super cruise impeller

So the guys in the forums are talking about the yf23 with 120s then