> @ThiccSpicyGenderRevealParty It will not stop premeditated murder, but it will stop the person who has to think for a second. @Porcupioneer I will, I just don't like having gun disscusion there because that channel is too wholesome
@chaz The channel for guns is too wholesome for a discussion about guns?

@jerpeau it is a channel for the sharing and mutual love of a hobby, I do not want to discuss the legality of that hobby in that channel. it would be impolite

Well, the same logic could be applied to here. Except you're not talking history. And it is actually for all discussions concerning guns. It's a slightly more rare subject so it is frequently used to share images for the, as you put it, "mutual love of a hobby". It is also the channel where you will find many experts on the subject who have done their research as well. It is the best place to go in order to present a sound argument.

No more off topic discussion here please. This is <#763630830249181184>.

Lutzen is the worst defeat that two opposing armies ever achieved

Fun Fact of the Day: Pearl Harbor wasn't the only incident involving the Japanese on American Soil, The Aleutian Islands Campaign was series of military campaigns in the Aleutian Islands between the US and the Japanese, although the Japanese gave up on that, and left, leading to several friendly fire incidents between the US and Canadian Forces, who thought they were shooting at Japanese soldiers, due to the thick fog that covered the island

and they were building submersible aircraft carries at the end to take the war to us

These statistics and death toll are completely irrelevant because ultimately, a citizen has a *moral right* to keep and bear arms. There will always be a death toll one way or another because human nature is fallen, that's reality.

You don't get to solve that by offering more restrictions save a background check.

In postmodern society, gun violence is higher than knife violence, but in non modern society, the opposite would be true; both society's citizens have a moral right to keep and bear arms regardless of the death trends.

https://fee.org/articles/gun-rights-don-t-depend-on-statistics/
This article explains this better.

@Smash Boy this is true, guns are an American right, but I come from a texan family of engineers and we have a saying, "it can always be better"

No it cannot "always be better". Read the article: The right to bear arms is a modal necessity from the right to life, you don't "better" rights by doing things that inevitably infringe upon it as a result.

You either respect and recognize them or not.

Rights are not an engineering issue like how we can make this building's basements better suited to x rooms.

You are conflating these problems through a category error fallacy.

guns are not just an american right, they are funamentally part of the human right to self defense

And what is better than a background check, really? That's the only legitimate check we have to ensure citizens can responsible and cogently handle a firearm and about 95% of the population are not psychotic looneys.

the right of self defense is not granted to you, it is born with you

We don't get to infringe upon 95% of a population simply because there happens to be a statistical outlier that is severely dangerous to them.

To say we have to "better" the issue of right to bear arms is essentially saying there is a way to "better" humanity, and you cannot better humanity through secular means. Mankind is fallen in nature, we need a feedback loop of externalized accountability in a society to weed out the possible crimes and deliver proper justice.

That feedback loop is, ironically, solved by granting the citizens a means and way to access firearms to protect themselves from evildoers. The government's job is simple: protect citizens' rights and maintain law&order. Beyond that, the government has no say.

There's a difference between being able to drive and being able to own firearms, one is a privileges granted by the state and the other is a guaranteed right

3v1 overruled, so no, not everything can "always be better"

but it is a good positive motto, I'll give it that

oh and that number of 38,000 gun deaths, about 36,000 of those approx. are gun suicides, 2,000 being ACTUAL gun kills

And most of them were by handguns.

You know, the "police type" of guns.

Not the "scary lookin'" rifles like an AR-15.

Fun fact, the Scary looking rifles are a lot more difficult to kill yourself with due to the length of the barrel

There are a lot more shotgun and handgun suicides due to the easier length of the barrel to pull the trigger

Also. a vast majority of the scary black rifles are just skins on stuff like the Ruger .22

Yeah

Then there's also caliber disparacy

they think that the AR-15 shoots a bigger bullet (which in reality it can using caliber conversion barrels and uppers) than standard

The only good communists

@PantherUnit01 actually, of the 14,000 homicides in 2019, 10,000 were by gun

Remember that they like to inflate those with suicides

@A Person and Uruk, Uruk just did a communism succefully

@PantherUnit01 ah yes, the nations homicide statistics based on all polive reoprts filed and written down by the most reliable source on domestic terrorism is inflating the number of homicides