Message from @chaz

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2020-11-12 14:41:01 UTC  

lets invets in education and abolish private schools

2020-11-12 14:41:11 UTC  

We should teach gun safety, not gun fear.

2020-11-12 14:41:21 UTC  

facts

2020-11-12 14:42:00 UTC  

By that logic though, homeschooling would be abolished since it's private education.

2020-11-12 14:43:33 UTC  

private schools that concitrate the money of the upper and upper middle class in one place as opposed to a education system that benifits everyone

2020-11-12 14:44:15 UTC  

Public Schools/the current education system does not benefit everyone.

2020-11-12 14:45:23 UTC  

true, but by taking the concintration of wealth in the private school system and disrtibute into th epublic school system it will help the average educational expierence.

2020-11-12 14:46:46 UTC  

That's socialism.

2020-11-12 14:47:20 UTC  

no, its the public school system that we already have

2020-11-12 14:48:03 UTC  

just improved by giving them more money, or keep private schools and put a huge amout of federal funding into them

2020-11-12 14:49:51 UTC  

We do not need to dismantle private schools and take the privately funded money given to those private schools to fund public schools. People pay extra money for their children to go to private schools that have a better focus on what their child needs. Generally speaking, families that go to private schools pay more in taxes, and therefore, fund public schools they don't even use.

In addition, your "solution" is throw more money at an issue where throwing money has been the *only* solution by the left. Instead, we should (1) abolish teacher unions, and (2) enact school choice.

Abolishing teacher unions would allow bad teachers to held accountable and would make teaching a more competitive field. School choice makes school systems a more capitalistic function, creating competition between schools to do better overall.

And no, what you suggested is taking money from private schools to give to public schools, which is literally socialism.

2020-11-12 14:56:49 UTC  

> true, but by taking the concintration of wealth in the private school system and disrtibute into th epublic school system it will help the average educational expierence.
@chaz private schools earn their money. People pay for them for a reason. Wether it’s religious, over all higher quality education/more focus on the student etc. Public school curriculum and process wouldn’t be changed by a bit more money.

2020-11-12 14:59:37 UTC  

so, first @Froski I just want to say, that was a very eloquent point, well put and said. I think we should keep teachers unions to make sure they get what they want by not give out tenior (don't know how to spell that word) and my father has spent his live working in education, and the complaint of every public school is lack of funding, so I think we can spend more in that field, maybe take some from defense? considering defense is 14% of our nation budget goes to military and 9% goes to eduation. (https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2020/10/how-much-government-spending-goes-to-children) and Froski, it is a socialist pricible that has been proven to work in other coutries. I belive socialism is bad, but certian little tools from it do, and help augment a capitilist sytem. @SmokyCopCar this is true, I love my private school, but I belive the entire education system needs to be streamlined, rethought, and refunded.

2020-11-12 15:00:22 UTC  

> just improved by giving them more money, or keep private schools and put a huge amout of federal funding into them
@chaz More money is not the issue per data, charter schools w/ public funding do well but have reduced regulation and the same kids outperform. No one ever questions what we're teaching only that it must be an issue of money

2020-11-12 15:01:23 UTC  

note I said we need to reorgaise the educational standerd curriculum, but also put more funding into it.

2020-11-12 15:02:00 UTC  

money is not the sole issue, but it is the crutch on which we progress to a better education system

2020-11-12 15:02:01 UTC  

Fair but yeah if you're interested* Thomas Sowell has actually written a book about just that really

2020-11-12 15:04:23 UTC  

Don't take money from the military, take it from Planned Parenthood. Also, the funding aspect is a huge myth, when you break it down more. Federal funding is different from state funding and local funding. Also, Teacher Unions are awful. My wife, who is a teacher, agrees (see how that works, We can both claim we have people field. Awful attempt to argue that with your father.) If a teacher is bad, they need to be removed from a school. Tenure should not be a thing. If I fuck up a job as an attorney, I don't get to stay because I've been there 10 years. I get my ass kicked to the curb.

Money isn't the issue, and even if it was, look into how much of a teacher's paycheck goes to the unions.

2020-11-12 15:04:33 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762720224268910632/776462444951765032/20201112_065700.jpg

2020-11-12 15:05:04 UTC  
2020-11-12 15:05:40 UTC  

guess thats fair, I just like unions as and idea to disuade unfair treatment, but they shouldn't by principle take a cut

2020-11-12 15:06:21 UTC  

I guess there wasn't peace treatys going on guess their gonna give the credit to biden if he takes office

2020-11-12 15:07:18 UTC  

I have way too many examples as to why unions are bad. They are extremely awful when you look into construction unions.

2020-11-12 15:08:33 UTC  

The idea of a union is good, but when the start fighting for themselves over the people who created them, It is, in my oppinion no longer a union

2020-11-12 15:11:13 UTC  

Well, even when 'fighting' for the workers, they become issues. In construction unions you have people who show up drunk, don't show up at all, etc. but the employer can't do shit because the one guy is protected by the union. Unions protect bad workers. At this point, there is enough law to protect workers, and the legal system is easy enough to get into, which renders unions pointless, except for protecting bad workers and making a profit for the people at the top, while the actual workers pay huge amounts.

2020-11-12 15:13:33 UTC  

true

2020-11-12 15:16:41 UTC  

> lets invets in education and abolish private schools
@chaz I very much disagree with this

2020-11-12 15:17:10 UTC  

I am in a private school

2020-11-12 15:17:19 UTC  

A school that allows me to be open about my faith

2020-11-12 15:17:27 UTC  

We should get rid of the biased teachers

2020-11-12 15:18:14 UTC  

If I was in a public school. I would be ridiculed about my faith left right and center. My current school that I am in, NO ONE has been mean to me for any reason. It is a welcome change to what I dealt with from the past 10 years of my schooling.

2020-11-12 15:18:38 UTC  

Why?

2020-11-12 15:19:00 UTC  

What do they have with your faith?

2020-11-12 15:22:14 UTC  
2020-11-12 15:22:31 UTC  

I am a Christian

2020-11-12 15:23:16 UTC  

"All Christians are conservative and like Trump OMG" The biggest stereotype ever -_-

2020-11-12 15:23:52 UTC  

We're all amazing lol true story

2020-11-12 15:25:50 UTC  

Damn those public schools sound ghastly

2020-11-12 15:29:21 UTC  

hm...

2020-11-12 15:32:38 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762720224268910632/776469509467799552/1605194908494_image.png

2020-11-12 15:32:55 UTC  

Yeah I'm beginning to see why teachers hate it when students site wikipedia