True libertarianism is based in liberalism, which is a leftist value

Ah ok

Well

I guess I lost this one.

Thats too low energy

wheres the rebuttal

high energy

I mean, you're right.

I don't need high energy when I know I lost.

Whats your political alignment

Well, I'm currently on the right

The last time I took a 8values test, I was a moderate conservative

like do you lean authoritarian or libertarian

I think generally speaking it's safe to assume we all lean right on this server

Yeah

I think I was authright the last time I took the compass

Not too extreme tho 🤔

what do we consider too extreme

You know, I consider radical ideologies to be the extreme ones

I feel like thats almost less clear than we started

also i think given the rights current proclivity to be on average more libertarian, having traditionally conservative viewpoints can be seen as outlandish or "radical"

Hmmmm, true that.

Like how many people are actually advocates of reversing the legal definition of marriage today

as an example

Huh.

Like, sure, civil unions are fine imo

But I am not too sure about marriage when it comes to same-sex couples

that's like a normal conservative mentality, but imagine what the news would look like if someone tried to write a bill changing the definition back to it's original state

regression, homophobia, evil, bigot

key words youd probably find in all the headlines

and a large sect of the right would also just agree

Oh shit...

That's too bad...

And how is it homophobia to go back to a state of nature for over so many, many, **many** years? I don't get it. Sure, the Romans and the Greek were homosexual, bisexual or whatever, but wasn't Christianity like... giving us some sane purpose?

Like, I don't want to go back to that era of paganism, we have Christianity and other monotheistic religions for a reason

I mean there's a natural law argument against it as well

but true

I guess that the natural law that they think of is the good old prehistorical law

no

as in

homosexuality is inherently unnatural

Ah. Well... that's an actually complex thing, and the answer changes depending on your perspective.