what i am saying is you can not know for sure. you have to understand a lot of the info you have on the soviet union came from america and news outlets, which acted as propaganda as the ussr was an enemy to the us

Should have honestly taken patton's advice. Take Moscow while they were down.

Yeah I remember how the United States created the Red Scare where you could accuse your neighbor of being a Communist spy and have them killed

If anything, the count is low. Mass grave sites are still being found to this day.

With church family who left the ussr for their safety and the right to practice their faith and not risk being imprisoned or killed it says something.

America loves to cover up its past but I can guarantee it's not the only country that does that

its not just that, the us and the ussr were major enemies. they had an arms race and both fed propagande to its citizens regarding the other

we probably won't ever know, but it is what it is
I try to be an optimist, but I don't see that as being exaggerated

So you do not condemn the USSR?

as a russian myself, i have many relatives who were born and lived in the ussr their whole lives

yeah, my great-grandparents left for those reasons

Take the Berlin wall for an example

The ussr had secret police to snitch on your neighbors

One side was communist, one was capitalist

that was in the very begining after the revolution as the country was vulnerable and they couldnt have someone penetrate them from the inside

My Orthodox family, and my Orthodox priests who had to leave their homes and families and parishioners to save themselves. Glory be to the martyrs but it should never have happened.

after that it wasnt there

Doesn't make it right and it was still happening during Stalin reign

Do you know what happened to Berlin after WW2?

Or no

I don't know much about that time period, but I really doubt that they stopped something like that

again, there was no burning of churches past the 1930s as religion was completely abolished during Stalin's reign

Stalin was a ruthless man he earned the title man of steel

i have read a bit but please say what exactly you are referring to

Exactly. You are okay with killing people for their faith.

Men, women and children were shot if they tried to escape the Soviet side in Berlin into US territory.

Whoa whoa whoa we don't need to make any blood sacrifices

Face it countries did a lot of scummy shit Russia, America, etc.

btw just to clarify, i myself identify as a conservative. I am just saying the things that actually happened in the ussr were very different from what people on the west beleive right now

By proxy and you're current discussion you are supporting the mass genocide of Jews and Christians in gulags.

ussr 1000x worse than america ma dude

The government has lied to us once they will lie to us again

I disagree

i am definitely not. in fact that is one of many things i disaggree about that the soviet union did

you guys are not listening to me

i do not support communism

Becuase America does this too! Oh wait they dont.

all i am saying is that things were much different

Our USSR did bad and US bad people gaining power good people left to rot

In what way

Yet, here you are saying how great and or exaggerated things were. I don't care about Communists and they all deserve the punishment they received