Message from @Niveron

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2020-11-20 19:22:07 UTC  

the correct name for the 1410 battle is Grunwald.

2020-11-20 19:22:18 UTC  

as there was a WW1 engagement in the same area too.

2020-11-20 19:22:26 UTC  

that is referred as Tannenberg

2020-11-20 19:23:05 UTC  

Durbe, another famous battle cost Livonians 150 knights. Knights alone. now add 10 retainers to them.

2020-11-20 19:23:14 UTC  

each.

2020-11-20 19:23:31 UTC  

I remember that name from Kingdom Come Deliverance

2020-11-20 19:23:53 UTC  

funny thing, Hussites declared Vytautas to be the king of Czechia.

2020-11-20 19:25:35 UTC  

I'd rather lose 150 than 8,000

2020-11-20 19:25:45 UTC  

You can at least hire mercenaries to replace 150

2020-11-20 19:25:58 UTC  

or use local auxilliaries.

2020-11-20 19:26:05 UTC  

You lose 8,000 monastic knights you're done

2020-11-20 19:26:14 UTC  

You ain't coming back from that

2020-11-20 19:26:25 UTC  

but still, at the time Livonian order, was pretty much fucked, so that battle was a killing blow to them

2020-11-20 19:26:31 UTC  

they never recovered from that.

2020-11-20 19:27:20 UTC  

They did tried to send reinforcements to the teutons centuries later during the iirc 13 years war between Poland and Teutons, but the reinforcement force was massacred in Samogitia, because ofc they were.

2020-11-20 19:28:02 UTC  

as the Livonian Brothers of the Sword were a small order, mainly created to protect the Hansa Union merchants.

2020-11-20 19:28:24 UTC  

spreading the word of Christ was secondary objective to them.

2020-11-20 19:28:47 UTC  

and according to the texts we have, they showed less faggotry and douchebaggery than Teutons.

2020-11-20 19:29:38 UTC  

Alson not only the rank and file knights were killed in Grunwald @Ragnarok , but pretty much their whole entire leadership.

2020-11-20 19:29:51 UTC  

Only a single Komtur survived.

2020-11-20 19:30:12 UTC  

and managed to defend Marienburg, or Malbork if you're polish.

2020-11-20 19:30:39 UTC  

Well I mean you can move people up if need be. But a knight is something extremely hard to replace. Equipment alone was expensive.

2020-11-20 19:30:42 UTC  

but then again, the united GDL and Polish army that besieged it wasn't a siege army, as in they had no siege engineers

2020-11-20 19:31:22 UTC  

And when the bulk of your army is based on feudal levy... you can't get a knight from that. A farmer can't do that shit

2020-11-20 19:31:41 UTC  

the plan was "ok we won, hey I know let's go besiege their capital" and people just rolled with it.

2020-11-20 19:32:01 UTC  

A komtur can be replaced with another senior knight with administrative experience.

2020-11-20 19:32:07 UTC  

not without training.

2020-11-20 19:32:16 UTC  

but yeah, off the bat, they're shit.

2020-11-20 19:32:27 UTC  

just pitchforks and spiked grainflails.

2020-11-20 19:32:57 UTC  

But a knight himself, took around 14 years to make. Half as a page, half as a squire. And since the only people having sex are farmers, well, you're not making new knights

2020-11-20 19:33:23 UTC  

Teutons made cavalry auxiliaries, the afromentioned grosse and kleine freier.

2020-11-20 19:33:33 UTC  

from civvie land owners.

2020-11-20 19:33:37 UTC  

and free peasants.

2020-11-20 19:33:48 UTC  

if you're considered a grosse, you're in the heavy cavalry

2020-11-20 19:33:59 UTC  

if you're a kleine, you're in light cavalry.

2020-11-20 19:33:59 UTC  

Two decades or so from birth before you could really call him a knight, and the cost of horses and equipment. Plus you're asking for someone to take vows

2020-11-20 19:34:09 UTC  

but certainly no knight material.

2020-11-20 19:38:59 UTC  

Yeah, Grunwald sealed their fate. They did tried to fuck with poland when Sigismund the Old was on the throne, but that resulted only in them bending the knee and becoming polish vassals.

2020-11-22 00:33:02 UTC  

jews and muzlems, cucked from the same cloth

2020-11-22 07:07:39 UTC  

Muslims are like a larp of Judaism and Gnosticism

2020-11-22 07:08:07 UTC  

Some Muslim beliefs and even parts of the Quran are taken from pseudo-Christian, gnostic writings