Message from @Ragnarok

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2020-11-20 19:09:58 UTC  

The Great Prussian Uprising of 1260-1275 initially had them driven back to their 5 strongest castles.

2020-11-20 19:10:14 UTC  

And another thing.

2020-11-20 19:10:36 UTC  

when Lithuanian kings showed interest in converting, the teutons would kill the messengers and so forth.

2020-11-20 19:11:15 UTC  

Referring to Jogalia and Vytautas, not the bullshit before

2020-11-20 19:11:40 UTC  

Soviet historiography did a lot of damage to describing that era, with a lot of bullshit in the books published.

2020-11-20 19:12:23 UTC  

There was a civil war between the two, Vytautas used the teutons a bit to his advantage.

2020-11-20 19:12:43 UTC  

at the time, majority of the pagan bit of GDL was converted to catholicism

2020-11-20 19:13:16 UTC  

Teuton's were like "gibs samogitia to us", because they needed a stable land bridge with their Livonian branch

2020-11-20 19:13:27 UTC  

they got it for a bit.

2020-11-20 19:13:38 UTC  

worst mistake they ever did.

2020-11-20 19:13:48 UTC  

It's not the best idea to have a monastic order as a government either

2020-11-20 19:13:55 UTC  

as it is not a stable land bridge.

2020-11-20 19:13:57 UTC  

Since monks don't marry and have kids

2020-11-20 19:14:20 UTC  

It was effective per se, but it had a lot of bullshit laws.

2020-11-20 19:14:31 UTC  

like for example prohibiting civvies from fishing.

2020-11-20 19:14:35 UTC  

You end up relying almost entirely on people taking vows to replace knights

2020-11-20 19:14:54 UTC  

yeah you had the Grosse freier and kleine freier

2020-11-20 19:15:01 UTC  

Instead of having a new knight some 18-21 years after you fuck your wife

2020-11-20 19:16:43 UTC  

they would let loose the little knight during their border raids which is the best they could do.

2020-11-20 19:16:51 UTC  

Along the river Neman.

2020-11-20 19:17:05 UTC  

So once you take some heavy losses of knights, you have lost a lot of elite troops with combat experience, and the only way to replace them is to have someone decide he wants to be poor and never have sex

2020-11-20 19:17:29 UTC  

Soviet history books portray them as blitzkrieg era krauts, which is bullshit. the tech on both sides were pretty much equal.

2020-11-20 19:18:09 UTC  

Probably identified them with Nazis

2020-11-20 19:20:01 UTC  

Yeah, that was the idea.
first recorded usage of gunpowder in europe: Battle of Crecy 1346. First recorded usage of gunpowder in GDL: Siege of Georgenburg, 1382

2020-11-20 19:21:07 UTC  

If you ever see the old russian film about Alexander Nevsky, the kraut helmets have hands on the top as their ornaments, and the actors held them when not wearing in such a way, that they would mimick sieg heiling.

2020-11-20 19:21:12 UTC  

Tannenberg lost them 8,000 knights. That's worse than Agincourt which devastated the French nobility. If France couldn't recover even having 10 kids each, then that's certainly a kick in the nuts to a monastic order.

2020-11-20 19:21:23 UTC  

I'm familiar with it but haven't watched it

2020-11-20 19:22:07 UTC  

the correct name for the 1410 battle is Grunwald.

2020-11-20 19:22:18 UTC  

as there was a WW1 engagement in the same area too.

2020-11-20 19:22:26 UTC  

that is referred as Tannenberg

2020-11-20 19:23:05 UTC  

Durbe, another famous battle cost Livonians 150 knights. Knights alone. now add 10 retainers to them.

2020-11-20 19:23:14 UTC  

each.

2020-11-20 19:23:31 UTC  

I remember that name from Kingdom Come Deliverance

2020-11-20 19:23:53 UTC  

funny thing, Hussites declared Vytautas to be the king of Czechia.

2020-11-20 19:25:35 UTC  

I'd rather lose 150 than 8,000

2020-11-20 19:25:45 UTC  

You can at least hire mercenaries to replace 150

2020-11-20 19:25:58 UTC  

or use local auxilliaries.

2020-11-20 19:26:05 UTC  

You lose 8,000 monastic knights you're done

2020-11-20 19:26:14 UTC  

You ain't coming back from that

2020-11-20 19:26:25 UTC  

but still, at the time Livonian order, was pretty much fucked, so that battle was a killing blow to them