Message from @rivenator12113

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2019-07-30 16:32:10 UTC  

dude rivenator, you can't fly out the atmosphere with a plane

2019-07-30 16:32:12 UTC  

its not very tough mental gymnastics

2019-07-30 16:32:32 UTC  

I tried akhan, but he just refuse everything we throw at him

2019-07-30 16:32:36 UTC  

now, imagine the globe earth and your airplane, it wouldn't make sense if u fly straight and don't gain altitude

2019-07-30 16:32:45 UTC  

if you understood anything about physics, you wouldn't be asking this absurd question

2019-07-30 16:32:56 UTC  

@Akhanyatin therefore, the earth is not a globe

2019-07-30 16:33:00 UTC  

riven: to fly, you need lift, produced by the plane wings, at high altitude, the air is thin, produce no lift, you fall.

2019-07-30 16:33:24 UTC  

how do you define straight line?

2019-07-30 16:33:32 UTC  

perpendicular to the ground?

2019-07-30 16:33:35 UTC  

it was a fun conversation, i just want u to think about it.

2019-07-30 16:33:42 UTC  

parralel to the ground

2019-07-30 16:33:50 UTC  

yeah my bad parallel

2019-07-30 16:33:56 UTC  

he's going to leave thinking he won an argument, funny.

2019-07-30 16:34:16 UTC  

u have a cesna and cant even answer my question lol

2019-07-30 16:34:21 UTC  

so you're saying, if you're on a sphere, and keep parallel to that sphere, you're going to somehow distance yourself from that sphere?

2019-07-30 16:35:01 UTC  

draw a circle on a piece of paper, then draw a larger circle but with the same center

2019-07-30 16:35:07 UTC  

that should answer your question

2019-07-30 16:35:19 UTC  

yes, its logical isn't it? u have a plane on a sphere flying parallel to the ground, if it flies in a straight path it would gain altitude if its a globe earth @Akhanyatin

2019-07-30 16:35:39 UTC  

tell me where the logic is flawed

2019-07-30 16:36:15 UTC  

just draw a circle on paint or wtv and then draw a larger circle from the same center

2019-07-30 16:36:25 UTC  

yeah and?

2019-07-30 16:36:34 UTC  

do the circles ever meet or diverge?

2019-07-30 16:36:35 UTC  

the plane fly straight

2019-07-30 16:36:58 UTC  

a plane can't fly straight out of the atmosphere because that would be the equivalent of just flying upward

2019-07-30 16:37:00 UTC  

what the fuck does the circle have to do with anything, this isn't hard to imagine

2019-07-30 16:37:17 UTC  

no ull hit max plane altitude and the airplane will have not enogh lift, too much drag, and start loosing altitude, its not a good argument riven, if the air around earth was thick enough even at high altitude that could be a debate, but its not.

2019-07-30 16:37:22 UTC  

but if you drew a line from a certain point, and continued straight, yeah you'd pop out of the atmosphere

2019-07-30 16:37:41 UTC  

@Akhanyatin so you would gain altitude correct?

2019-07-30 16:38:04 UTC  

you'd distance yourself from the ground

2019-07-30 16:38:28 UTC  

now tell skywalk who has a cesna, does he gain altitude when he flies straight?

2019-07-30 16:38:59 UTC  

If I'm flying parallel to the ground and I never adjust my attitude, shouldn't my altitude above the ground start rising if the Earth is curving away from me?

This question, and most of the responses and comments to it, are based on a misunderstanding of what "straight and level flight" means. It does not mean flying in a Euclidean straight line at a constant speed. The concept of flying a Euclidean straight line doesn't make any sense when it comes to an aircraft flying through the atmosphere of a more or less spherical planet. "Straight and level" instead means flying with zero bank, zero roll, and a constant speed, constant altitude, and constant pitch angle.

2019-07-30 16:39:54 UTC  

Damn nice, im truly talking with kids

2019-07-30 16:39:58 UTC  

cant even argument

2019-07-30 16:40:55 UTC  

lol a plane relies on instruments to stay level

2019-07-30 16:41:03 UTC  

First if the turbines work worse as air rarifies at high altitudes, and at some point lose "traction" and fall. Secondly, the levitating force on the wings depends on the air density and the plane relative speed to the air, so even if the "traction" effect is low, the air support will be lower and at some point will not be sustained. Thirdly, as it escapes horizontally the angle of vertical becomes that of the flight direction, or as was mentioned, it will behave as if you suddenly start flying up, which will eliminate air support on the wings and fall.

2019-07-30 16:41:15 UTC  

how do you think these instruments work?

2019-07-30 16:41:44 UTC  

the guy probably never even saw a plane and he's arguing that they should fly out the atmosphere

2019-07-30 16:41:54 UTC  

beyond reason

2019-07-30 16:42:14 UTC  

then he say things like, we are kids, and cant argument, pointless

2019-07-30 16:43:05 UTC  

From his post:
I am a student pilot. I've got 100 hours and 300 landings.

Throw a paper airplane. Does it fly in a straight line? Of course not. Neither does a big plane.

It only follows the course, horizontally and vertically, that the pilot controls it to fly. The way it turns from one heading to another is by temporarily banking to one side, exactly like a bicycle. The way it changes altitude above the ground is by using more or less power. The way it changes speed is by using more or less elevator trim.

All of these things are monitored by the pilot and adjusted as needed. If they are not adjusted, the plane flies at a constant speed, on a constant heading, at a constant rate of climb or descent above the earth.

Take a flying lesson. It doesn't cost much and is a great experience.