a good argument would be to mention the polaris stars that havent changed position, which would be impossible if the earth was rotating around the sun

check out eddie bravo flat earth podcast with joe rogan, all joe rogan does is call him crazy lol and never refutes anything

its not that easy to correctly imagine all of the motions of the supposed cosmic objects

is that a flat earth map that flat earther back ? https://imgur.com/7gawXBL

Polaris does change position, it’s like 40 arc seconds off of true north or something like that.

i mean logically, there is no way if we see the polaris stars everyday at the same position that the earth can be revolving around the sun. how would that work on a earth that revolves on the sun

so it changes by 0.01111 degrees by how much time?

You can watch it make a full rotation in 24hrs.

so your telling me the polaris stars are exactly following the earth all the time?

it wouldnt make sense if the earth was revolving around the sun

but it would make sense if it revolved around the earth

It’s 40 arc seconds from true north, but it still moves at 15 degrees per hour. It’s just hard to tell as the movement so small.

Polaris is moving through the universe, but so are we. The distance it has moved in the last 2000 years is almost negligible compared to the space between stars. It take millions to billions of years to notice significant change.

@SAM101907 what you are missing that earth itself is tilted 23 degrees of its axis

well yeah no shit everything revolves around 15 degrees per hour on a globe earth, >It take millions to billions of years to notice significant change. how can you know that?

the polaris should be all over the place

yet it doesnt really move

@anon415454+4646 what difference does that make? It’s still rotating about the same point.

@rivenator12113 That’s according to our best estimates and calculations by people who spent a lifetime studying this.

argument from authority lol

Sure? It doesn’t change the fact that there are have been millions of these guys through history, are we to believe they are all mistaken?

It was just recently that globe earth became mainstream lol, the indoctrination from hollywood movies and the education system which teaches us what to think and not howto think. Can you please tell how >It take millions to billions of years to notice significant change.

by recently i mean the last century and a half

The distances between stars is incomprehensible, to see any significant change in the apparent location of stars, it takes a LONG time. The change from their current moments is so incomprehensible that you wouldn’t be able to measure it outside of a significant amount of time

So you can't measure it, then why make a statement of >It take millions to billions of years to notice significant change.

@SAM101907 i wont accept that someone can calculate those distances

thats just make believe

i heard the explanation how astronomers counted the distances of stars

Also as you said before, if polaris moved around the universe and if it was 323 light-years away by what they say. This means it must be going faster than the speed of light lol

@anon415454+4646 Why is that?

i understood it but i dont believe it

@rivenator12113 That makes no sense

how do you do that if you dont have any reference point

Like the sun?

if the polaris stars are 323 light-years away, then shouldn't they be moving at a speed which is faster than what we can imagine that we can observe them everyday at the same location?

the sun is quite diffrent from the stars

this is according to nasa btw

@rivenator12113 Again, that makes no sense. Might wanna recheck your math.

so you are saying that nasa is false?

good job one step to being a flat earther

little by little you will see the bull shit they feed us

@anon415454+4646 It is! They know the type and luminosity expected from it though, with that, that can use that as a reference for similar types of stars.